Alliance raid fix?

[Themarvin]

I don't see the issue either if any you are litterally given a job set of armor each 10 levels after level 50... and everythign you need to fill in with can be be bought with peotic tomestones, it is a good thing they are doing here, it will make Alliance raid more popular thing as well.... and those sitting in queu for eg. the level 70 or 80 ones for long will have the wait time reduced as well.

[Ivtrix]

Honestly it will be really amusing to watch line 6-10 people drop when you get thrown into lighthouse

[Reinha]

Honestly it will be really amusing to watch line 6-10 people drop when you get thrown into lighthouse

Up to 10/24 party members are cheesing their item level? People are straight up lying when they try to claim this doesn't affect how many CT parties are formed in the roulette and how often it pops.

Why go to that much effort when all someone needs to do is not unlock the other Alliance raids?

I hope this change, will also force people to have the alliance raid unlocked at their level, to queue for the alliance roullete, otherwise the ilvl cheesers will just not unlock any other raid, for the guaranteed ct, since they won't have anything else unlocked.

I think the people complaining and cheesing have already unlocked other raids on their main character. Otherwise they wouldn't have felt the need to cheese in the first place. They can't go back in time and un-unlock the higher level raids.

To which I offer the same sarcastic remark that was given to us who are tired of running nothing but CT: just queue directly for the duty you want to do and don't do the roulette if you don't like it.

[Saraide]

Up to 10/24 party members are cheesing their item level? People are straight up lying when they try to claim this doesn't affect how many CT parties are formed in the roulette and how often it pops.

I love how you are deliberately misunderstanding everything in this thread.

[Duskane]

I think anyone really upset with the change just won't do 24 man roulette similar to MSQ roulette
just don't expect orbone or puppets that often because itll still be CT 60% of the time

[nivada]

I hope this change, will also force people to have the alliance raid unlocked at their level, to queue for the alliance roullete, otherwise the ilvl cheesers will just not unlock any other raid, for the guaranteed ct, since they won't have anything else unlocked.

edit: of course they could always, keep queing with other jobs, that are lower level but with roullete xp, they will eventually be pushed over the boundary for every class anyway where they have to unlock the next one to be able to keep queing.

[Saraide]

I hope this change, will also force people to have the alliance raid unlocked at their level, to queue for the alliance roullete, otherwise the ilvl cheesers will just not unlock any other raid, for the guaranteed ct, since they won't have anything else unlocked.

edit: of course they could always, keep queing with other jobs, that are lower level but with roullete xp, they will eventually be pushed over the boundary for every class anyway where they have to unlock the next one to be able to keep queing.

Well you're not ilvl cheesing if you queue with a lvl 50 job.

[Reinha]

I think the workaround is someone will make an alt just for CT, keep it at 50 and create a premade party before queuing for alliance raid. The alt will probably AFK while the invitee plays. Once it hits level 60, delete and repeat.

The problem with such alts is that they can be reported, whether they are standing at the entrance or disconnect. If the account gets banned the player has to make a new trial account and level a new alt.

・Intentional leaving or disconnection
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However, if a report is filed, a penalty will be issued if the following types of situations are confirmed to be occurring repeatedly:

Occurs right after entering a duty
Occurs when progress is not going well in a duty
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I love how you are deliberately misunderstanding everything in this thread.

Having a hard time counting to 10?

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

The problem with such alts is that they can be reported, whether they are standing at the entrance or disconnect. If the account gets banned the player has to make a new trial account and level a new alt.

That would involve someone actually reporting those kinds of alts though for the GMs to even care. I can guarantee you the vast majority in any CT instance just want to get out of there ASAP and aren't going to care to take slowing down their suffering in that instance to write up a report log. I've had friends go afk for plenty of CT instances after they implemented this change and never got punished. Besides, it would be so trivially easy for someone to do this and just have the alt instant leave the moment the black screen vanishes before half the people have loaded in, guaranteeing you a queue into CT instances without anyone else having a single clue who that alt was.

So long as CT is still by far and above the best exp - time ratio for the roulette, people will always find ways to game the system. The better solution Square should have done is make CT its own roulette, or better incentivize later alliances by offering the more perceived hard ones better exp payouts so the increased time spent in them is properly rewarded.

Even in this thread alone, you can already see people ready to offer their 'CT taxi services' the moment this goes into effect. At the end of the day though, CT still has multiple other biases going for it that it's still going to be the predominant pick in the roulette anyway. This ilvl fix was nothing more than putting a tiny band aid on a large cut and calling it a day.

[Reinha]

it would be so trivially easy for someone to do this and just have the alt instant leave the moment the black screen vanishes before half the people have loaded in
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So long as CT is still by far and above the best exp - time ratio for the roulette, people will always find ways to game the system.

Yes it's trivially easy, but no, people will not game the system except for a small handful. All of these revenge fantasies about leveling alts are just empty threats and blowing off steam. The reality is that most people are not willing to complete a series of easy repetitive tasks for delayed gratification. The fact that all fc cottages have not been bought by individuals wanting their 4 personal submarines that would print free gil until servers shut down is proof of that. Similarly people are not going to level a whole new alt just to shave off 15 minutes in their alliance roulette. It's faster and easier to not do the roulette at all, or to take a penalty if it's not CT. There are already people saying they'll just stop queuing.

Even in this thread alone, you can already see people ready to offer their 'CT taxi services' the moment this goes into effect.

Queuing with other people is an intended feature of the game, so nobody's mad about that. Cheesers didn't do that though, and that's because taking your gear off is easier than talking to people or waiting for them to be online. If this change gets people to be more social then it's even better for the game than I thought.