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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazhar View Post
    We haven't seen the full trailer and we haven't seen Krile (*sigh*) yet either, despite the hype around her increased importance.

    6.1 was the perfect opportunity to shake up the main cast and 7.0 was the next best opportunity they had. Yet, they ignored it both times. I think it will simply never happen for the next 10 years.
    They saw the success of Shadowbringers, so everything from now on will follow the same template until it doesn't work anymore.
    I've been saying for ages they should rotate/retire some of the Scions but keeps others around.

    For example, have Thancred die in Shadowbringers instead of the pointless fake out they did and let Ryne pick up the Gunblade in his place. This opens up a new potential arc for her while keeping a familiar face we've spent most of Shadowbringers with. How does she go back to the first? Make up some excuse that lets her travel to the Source but necessitates someone else staying behind. Now we can let Y'shtola rest for a while. I'd also shuffle out Urianger allow more focus on new characters alongside the remaining Scions. With Endwalker concluding, you could then have Alphinaud step back, perhaps to help Sharlayan embrace a more open diplomatic approach. Makes perfect sense for his father to ask for Alphinaud's worldly experience while being a nice full circle moment to his Crystal Braves arc. Allaise could maybe stick around but I'd be tempted to give her an expansion off too.

    The whole idea is not to toss the Scions away wholesale and never mention them again but to give us a chance to actually miss them. Four years without Y'shtola being a main characters let het come back and have a genuinely big moment because we wouldn't have seen her for a long time. Whereas nowadays, all I do is roll my eyes whenever they try to sell a dramatic moment of her "sacrificing" herself because she's done it four damn times.
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    I suggested that they kill off Sylvanus and Thrall, but nobody at Activision-Blizzard would take my calls after that.

    Given that attitude, why should one of the Scions die?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DPZ2 View Post
    I suggested that they kill off Sylvanus and Thrall, but nobody at Activision-Blizzard would take my calls after that.

    Given that attitude, why should one of the Scions die?
    Didn't they finally kill Sylvanas off? I thought I read it somewhere, but I'm not gonna resub to WoW just to find out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk View Post
    Didn't they finally kill Sylvanas off? I thought I read it somewhere, but I'm not gonna resub to WoW just to find out.
    No, though she was basically written out of the story - for now, at least. How long it takes for her to return (if ever) remains to be seen.

    Dragonflight has been fairly refreshing in terms of getting a break from Sylvanas, Anduin and Jaina. I even quite like the latter two for the most part, but familiarity can breed contempt and that's something FFXIV doesn't appear to grasp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DPZ2 View Post
    I suggested that they kill off Sylvanus and Thrall, but nobody at Activision-Blizzard would take my calls after that.

    Given that attitude, why should one of the Scions die?
    It's just weird to have a group of people...talented or not...and have them go into battle after battle with huge stakes on the line and not as much suffer one casualty. It really takes the danger out if you know for a fact everyone is coming out better than when they went in.
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    I bet is the Taco guy who sold taco will kill our cat boy due to diarrhea.
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    I just don't see Zero... living it up on this island. Either we're probably leaving her behind somewhere or she's gonna be killed.
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    I never understand why people seem to be out for blood regarding the Scions. Sure, killing off a character can be good for dramatic reasons, but it can also be lazy and forced. I for one liked that Endwalker ended on a positive note regarding our main cast, its a story about hope after all, and would rather they get retired then knocked off. That way they can come back if needed, there are still arcs and stories they can tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurlstone View Post
    I never understand why people seem to be out for blood regarding the Scions. Sure, killing off a character can be good for dramatic reasons, but it can also be lazy and forced. I for one liked that Endwalker ended on a positive note regarding our main cast, its a story about hope after all, and would rather they get retired then knocked off. That way they can come back if needed, there are still arcs and stories they can tell.
    The problem is baiting death constantly
    you can keep teh cast alive forever whatever but if you keep baiting their deaths over and over it gets really annoying
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reimmi View Post
    The problem is baiting death constantly
    you can keep teh cast alive forever whatever but if you keep baiting their deaths over and over it gets really annoying
    Oh with this I 100% agree. The faux deaths at the end of Endwalker where by far my least favorite aspect of the story, and frankly whilst I do love ya Y'shtola but if she throws herself into the lifestream again for the third time I am gonna just leave her there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kozh View Post
    People have explained to you multiple times yet you still don’t understand? At this point it’s on you.
    Hmm, apologies, mayhap my choice of words where wrong. Better perhaps to just say I disagree with the conclusions people come up with then haha.
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