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    Steffie's Avatar
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    Miya Malaguld
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    Considering how relaxed Derplander looked when fighting that monster in trailer, I say, our WoL will just be finding the dawntrail enemies pretty weak in the story at least.

    Of course gameplay and story do need some separation or else Dawntrail enemies have to be below lvl 90.
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    Raven Lordes
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    Yes I'm so over the whole children bossing and somehow someway managed to keep up with WoL power level nothing make sense anymore
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    It all depends how you interpret the lore as it pertains to gameplay. The WoL's power height has always been very specialised against aether-manipulation or divine threats (eg primals, Meteion et al) and we still need to work against regular foes, always have. We still need a bunch of friends to help us kill threats that aren't based on aetheric shenanigans, we can withstand bolts of eldritch power but a hail of bullets can still hurt us. Its a directed sort of op'ness rather than just generic unstoppableness against everything.
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    Krann Starwarden
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranaku View Post
    A question i asked myself for a while now is how SE will introduce a new threat to us players. Or a reason why all of the sudden the new enemies and bosses are stronger than the end of the universe and existence itself.

    We fought dragons, primals, gods, ancients and literally the end itself. So my question is, what big bad evil will come next? How will SE make it believable that after defeating Meteion we struggle again with some random trial and dungeon bosses?
    To put it simply, it's the MMO logic.

    Just look at the other games, FFXI for example. A lv70+ little worms in it are stronger than literal gigantic bosses. In WoW, a lv80 boar is stronger than an actual lv60 demon lord boss who has seen entire civilizations destroyed. And the list goes on...

    Story-wise, you never had an issue with killing adds or mobs. Those lv90+ zone mobs and trial bosses you're going to fight? They're not stronger than you. It's just a game mechanic to keep the "fun". If we want to follow the lore literally, then you should be able to one-shot everything that's not insanely powered-up by something else.
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    Rithris Amaya
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    you trip on a banana peel when you arrive to the new area, which leads the WOL to be in great pain throughout the expansion.

    Honestly it feels like its going to be hard to impress anyone in terms or urgency and scope after SHB then EW, but I'm really not feeling this new expansion setting.
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    Gralya Arodica
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranaku View Post
    A question i asked myself for a while now is how SE will introduce a new threat to us players. Or a reason why all of the sudden the new enemies and bosses are stronger than the end of the universe and existence itself.

    We fought dragons, primals, gods, ancients and literally the end itself. So my question is, what big bad evil will come next? How will SE make it believable that after defeating Meteion we struggle again with some random trial and dungeon bosses?
    Easy, we don't. Yoshida already said after EW, that story will slow down then start building up for the next big multi-expansion story arc. You don't just immediately jump from world threat to world threat, without building up the story and motives first, otherwise you get WoW where you get to ridiculous scenarios of the puppetmaster, being a puppet of the puppetmaster, of another puppetmaster, of another puppetmaster...

    We also have a few more ticks on power scale enemies can go up to, as powerful as the ancients were, and metion became, they aren't gods, and are only a threat on a planetary scale. We can still go to universal scale, and on our own, strongest we've defeated are two unsundered ascians without having to resort to a gimmick.
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    Aurelie Moonsong
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    It could be a pretty straightforward explanation that our fight with Zenos actually drained some degree of our lifeforce / power level / whatever and we're weakened from what we were.
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    Aileen Pureheart
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    This is the best solution yet and if they don’t use it, it’s a horrible missed opportunity.
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    Oscarlet Oirellain
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranaku View Post
    A question i asked myself for a while now is how SE will introduce a new threat to us players. Or a reason why all of the sudden the new enemies and bosses are stronger than the end of the universe and existence itself.

    We fought dragons, primals, gods, ancients and literally the end itself. So my question is, what big bad evil will come next? How will SE make it believable that after defeating Meteion we struggle again with some random trial and dungeon bosses?
    How do great boxers and MMA fighters get defeated after a long winning streak?

    What about when people get old and lose a step?

    That's really where we're at. It's like Zenos said. Who will be the one to finally...
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    In other news, there is no technical debt from 1.0.
    "We don't have ... a technological issue that was carried over from 1.0, because ARR was meant to kind of discard what we had from 1.0 and rebuild it from the engine."
    https://youtu.be/ge32wNPaJKk?t=560

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    Want to know why new content will never last more than 20 minutes? Full breakdown:

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