No exploratory content

[TheNight]

You literally only ever complain about this game and never have any valid criticism. You are no better than the Titan trolls.

Perhaps you should stop harassing people?

[TaleraRistain]

Talera? I made much the same comments in this thread

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...87#post6305787

...and was roundly shouted down.

Funny how you say the same thing I did , yet we aint seeing the same responses.

Odd. Innit?




Thats nice. Now tell us what the player numbers are on other datacentres.

I think part of that might be that while I do agree with you on points often, your presentation is rather vehement and confrontational. That can put people off.

For others mentioning that there are Discords for BA and DRS, that's part of the issue. The developers aren't in charge of Discords. But for some of this content, it's in third party applications where participation in the content is organized. There isn't a lot of in-game design providing accessibility. Whereas there is more of that with Variant. Maybe they need to boost the Echo more in Eureka and and Bozja, or possibly put in some daily missions. And give some better in-game tools for organizing people for things like BA and DRS. Those would help the current situation or can be things to look at for future exploratory content.

Also Supersnow, what is your gauge of peak time? I'm also on Aether and Eureka when I was going in there recently in NA prime time most zones had at most 30 people. Pagos could go up higher if it was time for Cassie. Pyros I think is a bad example because it seems to have a really bad bot infestation. Fully half of the zone of people would just be bots waiting at the bunny FATEs. And it often wasn't the easiest thing to get a group for FATEs past Anemos so you could get the necessary credit because many were often only premades going into together or they broke up after one or two NMs.

I haven't been in Bozja too much but from what I could see in NA prime time it had less people than Eureka. I was doing FATEs in Zadnor by myself (or trying) and when I went to help a friend try to do CLL for his relic there were only 5 people signed up. Hopefully they reconsider the in-instance CEs for any future exploratory content.

Or we may get something entirely new from both exploratory and Variant that fixes the drawbacks with both.

[Renathras]

This must be the worst cope I've ever seen...

I mean, I think he's correction that the RESOURCES that would have gone to Exploration Zones were instead consumed on IS and V&C. Obviously neither one scratches the same itch (V&C isn't drop-in/out content and has limited exploration and story which are all self-contained and not continuous across them; IS has no combat and no shared progress with other players), so they aren't an adequate substitute. But if he just means Dev resources, he's probably right.

Ngl, despite that many people cry 'they're troll(s)!!', these 'trolls' actually instigated many discussion nowadays than real people lol.

I think that may be more due to them just posting such a high volume of threads (during the height of Fanfest, the front page was full of majority posts started by the usual suspects; they just started so many threads that SOME of them generated discussion, but they were also drowning out other people's threads trying to start discussion, so it's a mixed bag...)

Yoshida has disclosed in a Famitsu interview that they are planning a new type of battle content (probably) for 7.X, as well as stating that the next iteration of exploratory content is being discussed.

Yeah, I'd really like to see an official translation of this, just to make sure the words are saying what people are thinking they're saying. Trust but verify and all that.

Those on the forums who are tripping themselves defending V&C might want to look at the Famitsu interview, because it looks like Yoshida would disagree with you that the game is "fine as-is". He wants to improve it (as us naysayers do), much to your chagrin.

There are two classes of people who make negative posts about the game.

One is people who genuinely still like the game and don't hate it, who raise valid points and offer criticism of the game with idea and suggestions for improvements, who don't attack other people who enjoy the game as it is, and so on.

The other is people who lash out at the game, flailing for anything to say negative about it, constantly badmouth it, and attack anyone who doesn't share their disdain for it, often while encouraging people to quit or permanently leave it to play other MMOs (as opposed to taking a break), and are more critical of other posters who aren't negative like they are than even of the game.

If you're in the first camp, you're fine. Just don't move into the second camp.

Yoshi P is saying he wants to improve it, not that he thinks it is currently garbage and should be shut down. That's a wide gulf.

[AwesomeJr44]

There are two classes of people who make negative posts about the game.

One is people who genuinely still like the game and don't hate it, who raise valid points and offer criticism of the game with idea and suggestions for improvements, who don't attack other people who enjoy the game as it is, and so on.

The other is people who lash out at the game, flailing for anything to say negative about it, constantly badmouth it, and attack anyone who doesn't share their disdain for it, often while encouraging people to quit or permanently leave it to play other MMOs (as opposed to taking a break), and are more critical of other posters who aren't negative like they are than even of the game.

If you're in the first camp, you're fine. Just don't move into the second camp.

Yoshi P is saying he wants to improve it, not that he thinks it is currently garbage and should be shut down. That's a wide gulf.

"There are two classes of people who make negative posts about the game.

The people I agree with.

And the people I disagree with.

If you're in the first camp, you're fine. Just don't move into the second camp."

I think part of that might be that while I do agree with you on points often, your presentation is rather vehement and confrontational.

[Nezerius]

I remember that exact same excuse after Endwalker fanfest.

Difference being that all three Endwalker Fan Fests had to be merged into one single digital Fan Fest, due to covid-19 restrictions.

[Koros]

Those on the forums who are tripping themselves defending V&C might want to look at the Famitsu interview, because it looks like Yoshida would disagree with you that the game is "fine as-is". He wants to improve it (as us naysayers do), much to your chagrin.

He says that all the time, when has he actually done it? Like 33% success rate at best

And let's be honest, the vision and the budget are the biggest issues facing FF14 right now. Not individual problems with content. The entire formula is aging and cannot compete with modern 2023 games. Even these "yeah there are problems with variant" conversations are a distraction from the real issue: they treat this game as a milking factory and their vision consists of Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V'ing every expansion.

There's WoW shaking up the formula every expansion and missing the mark 80% of the time, and then there's FF14 calcifying itself around the sacred formula slowly petrifying.

[Shurrikhan]

There's WoW shaking up the formula every expansion and missing the mark 80% of the time, and then there's FF14 calcifying itself around the sacred formula slowly petrifying.

The sad thing with WoW's missing the mark, too, is that the miss is often just some relatively fine detail or arbitrary restriction, such that the errant new system is actually totally fine... (only) by the last third of the expansion's lifespan.

A reward-balance tweak there and the removal of a bad rule here and voila, it's actually pretty darn good. And yet stubbornness there, too, often keeps that from happening until they've already lost a ton of players again.

I wish XIV's issues were so often so simple.

[Renathras]

"There are two classes of people who make negative posts about the game.

The people I agree with.

And the people I disagree with.

If you're in the first camp, you're fine. Just don't move into the second camp."

Oh hey, you again. I guess you're done agreeing with me on topics (I think you agreed with me on two) and are back to the trolling.

I don't agree with all the people that make respectful and well argued critiques while not attacking other players. I still see them as a good thing and doing it right.

There's no way to agree with someone who is being a jerk and not making any arguments, instead just lashing out at people and insulting people.

So no, it's not a matter of agreement or disagreement. I've seen some valid complaints and even upvoted people who I disagreed with but who were being respectful and making good arguments. From time to time, really good arguments about problems can change my mind on them, too.

In short:

Stop trolling.

[Stormpeaks]

Oh hey, you again. I guess you're done agreeing with me on topics (I think you agreed with me on two) and are back to the trolling.

I don't agree with all the people that make respectful and well argued critiques while not attacking other players. I still see them as a good thing and doing it right.

There's no way to agree with someone who is being a jerk and not making any arguments, instead just lashing out at people and insulting people.

So no, it's not a matter of agreement or disagreement. I've seen some valid complaints and even upvoted people who I disagreed with but who were being respectful and making good arguments. From time to time, really good arguments about problems can change my mind on them, too.

In short:

Stop trolling.

"you agreed with me in 2 threads so I liked you, now you stopped agreeing so you're a troll"

[Supersnow845]

Rerathros’s definition of “echo chamber” at this point is “the person didn’t agree with me so they are in the echo chamber and I’m enlightened”