Did Zodiark ever do anything wrong?

[Aline_D]

It’s a story beat I’m not a big fan of, but the idea is Elon Hyd needed to waste money sunder the world in order to create people(s) that were less aesthetically dense in order to harness the power of feelings Dynamis to ultimately go into deep space via SpaceX a really convenient and already constructed spaceship to destroy Twitter The Endsinger.

That’s it. That’s the answer to the song “answers” (why must we suffer?)

You forgot the MAJOR part where the sundered are more capable of surviving the cataclysms the other civilizations suffered, particularly Utopias like the Ea or the masked people that committed mass suicide due to ennui.

The storyline of Elpis directly shows they were heading straight into this, or killing themselves with how cavalier they were with creating dangerous lifeforms (and this technically still happened since Meteion was the catalyst for their downfall). Hydalin tried to inoculate us against this danger.

The story is not really clear if what she did will work or if it was the best solution, but going back to Amaraut would definitely be a death sentence.

[KageTokage]

You forgot the MAJOR part where the sundered are more capable of surviving the cataclysms the other civilizations suffered, particularly Utopias like the Ea or the masked people that committed mass suicide due to ennui.

The storyline of Elpis directly shows they were heading straight into this, or killing themselves with how cavalier they were with creating dangerous lifeforms (and this technically still happened since Meteion was the catalyst for their downfall). Hydalin tried to inoculate us against this danger.

The story is not really clear if what she did will work or if it was the best solution, but going back to Amaraut would definitely be a death sentence.

All of the ends we saw were ones that the sundered world is in no way immune to falling victim to; Nibirun included because unlike the Ancients, they started off as flawed mortals who eventually became obsessed with "perfection" and tried to cast away their woes, only to lose their joys in the process.

I also feel a touch disinclined to think the Ancient world was so horribly flawed and doomed to die when by all accounts it had already persisted for countless millenia whilst maintaining an overall better state of being for man and beast alike. The whole Meteion situation only blew up because someone decided to blatantly sidestep safety protocol and then the one who actually had power to do something about it in the moment chose not to.

[Cilia]

All of the ends we saw were ones that the sundered world is in no way immune to falling victim to; Nibirun included because unlike the Ancients, they started off as flawed mortals who eventually became obsessed with "perfection" and tried to cast away their woes, only to lose their joys in the process.

I also feel a touch disinclined to think the Ancient world was so horribly flawed and doomed to die when by all accounts it had already persisted for countless millenia whilst maintaining an overall better state of being for man and beast alike. The whole Meteion situation only blew up because someone decided to blatantly sidestep safety protocol and then the one who actually had power to do something about it in the moment chose not to.

The point of it all is not to say "this is how Amaurotine civilization would have ended," but to point out that everything ends. No matter what form it took, Amaurotine civilization would have eventually ended, and a civilization prolonging its existence by way of continuous mass sacrifice has already gone the way of the dodo.

The Nibirun are very much intended to show a possible end for Amaurotine civilization, but even if it didn't meet that specific end, it would have ended eventually.

[semnork]

You forgot the MAJOR part where the sundered are more capable of surviving the cataclysms the other civilizations suffered, particularly Utopias like the Ea or the masked people that committed mass suicide due to ennui.

The storyline of Elpis directly shows they were heading straight into this, or killing themselves with how cavalier they were with creating dangerous lifeforms (and this technically still happened since Meteion was the catalyst for their downfall). Hydalin tried to inoculate us against this danger.

The story is not really clear if what she did will work or if it was the best solution, but going back to Amaraut would definitely be a death sentence.

I think this is definitely Venat's motivation for it, but presumably she didn't reveal the fact that she had been informed about the sundering and the future of Etheirys by a time traveler, so what I'm really curious about is the other people who helped to summon Hydaelyn. Of course Venat knew with absolute certainty that this would prevent the star from dying and make its inhabitants more capably of surviving the final days, but did her supporters know what the sundering entailed? Did they know that Venat knew Aumarot wasn't going to survive? Did they know it would work? I'd love to know if there was a story she told to people to justify Hydaelyn's summoning, or if she essentially just asked them to trust her.

[Cilia]

I think this is definitely Venat's motivation for it, but presumably she didn't reveal the fact that she had been informed about the sundering and the future of Etheirys by a time traveler, so what I'm really curious about is the other people who helped to summon Hydaelyn. Of course Venat knew with absolute certainty that this would prevent the star from dying and make its inhabitants more capably of surviving the final days, but did her supporters know what the sundering entailed? Did they know that Venat knew Aumarot wasn't going to survive? Did they know it would work? I'd love to know if there was a story she told to people to justify Hydaelyn's summoning, or if she essentially just asked them to trust her.

It's heavily implied if not outright stated in Tales from the Dawn that Venat did not tell her cohort the true scope of the crisis, her plan, or what the consequences could be.

It's worth remembering that prior to our departure from Elpis she tells us that she's not going to take our word as set in stone fact; she is going to strive to create a future different from the one we foretold. In any reality we can observe she of course failed, but the point is that she didn't want her cohort to take our foretold future as absolute fact or refuse to follow their hearts as it pertained to restraining Zodiark. She didn't want knowledge of Meteion or the possibility of the Sundering clouding their judgment.

[Cleretic]

I think this is definitely Venat's motivation for it, but presumably she didn't reveal the fact that she had been informed about the sundering and the future of Etheirys by a time traveler, so what I'm really curious about is the other people who helped to summon Hydaelyn. Of course Venat knew with absolute certainty that this would prevent the star from dying and make its inhabitants more capably of surviving the final days, but did her supporters know what the sundering entailed? Did they know that Venat knew Aumarot wasn't going to survive? Did they know it would work? I'd love to know if there was a story she told to people to justify Hydaelyn's summoning, or if she essentially just asked them to trust her.

We've gotten the response to Venat's decision from the person who'd become the Watcher three times now, between Anamnesis, the Omega quest, and the short story. Each time from slightly different views; present-day impartial view in Anamnesis, from the Watcher in the present day in Omega, and internal retrospective in the short story. Every single time is entirely consistent, with no indication of hidden or twisted facts beyond scope. The sign that people thought was one--that the Anamnesis scene has him say that people will miss her, which seems odd if people knew she'd be destroying so much of the world--was confirmed in the later accounts to instead be broader and more spiritual; that the world she's going to leave behind will be worse for her not being able to walk it.

Surely, by the third account of the same event with no suggestion of shadowy machinations going on beneath the surface, we can assume that there's nothing like that going on, right? The writers wouldn't leave that canvas unused if there was something to hint at. (And frankly I kind of wish there was, because damn was I annoyed at realizing we were getting a short story about the exact same scene a third time.)

[Yuella]

He tempered the ancients into being reliant of him and caused them to be unable to handle their sufferings.

[Elissar]

Morally speaking, they let us decide. If you didn't, you need to do the Omega quest in post Endwalker.
IMO, Zodiark did nothing wrong, i wish we had more time with him. Would be shocking to see Elidibus' sacrifice.

We don't have that much characters that is bad and do wrong stuff for pleasure like Zenos. We see them as victims of circumstances and neurosis.
Zodiark was a necessary evil, so to speak. The "beauty" of EW message is showing that everyone sacrificed everything for the star with the best knowledge they had and if you take one event out, everything falls apart.


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[Listrella]

not really, he was just chilling on the moon for thousands of years, before fandaniel rudely woke up up and hyjacked his body before we killed him, feel kinda sorry for him really.