A question for SCH mains and enjoyers

[Aravell]

No, I'm not.

If I'm not here, then the beliefs and opinions encountered are uniform/close enough to uniform and there's no dissenting view. Again, show me someone else here consistently at odds with the majority of you. Show me what those differences actually are. "alternate ideas" that are all in agreement with each other aren't alternate ideas. If you got a bunch of MAGA people together to discuss plans for border control and one suggested a fence while another suggested putting alligators in the Rio Grande and someone else is suggesting putting the military on the border to turn people away, that's still an echo chamber since no one is arguing against the whole affair, their "differences" are on "how to do this thing we all agree on", not an actual disagreement on the thing in question, and not actual dissent.

Also, that's not me engaging in bad faith.

Something I've noticed here - whenever I accuse someone else of a thing, several of you tend to try your DAMNEDest to accuse me of that same thing, even when it's wrong to do so, as Vetch pointed out. Your extreme reach and insistence on using the same insult instead of something else just to hope it sticks is based on a flawed belief that if you can accuse someone of doing something then this negates their initial accusation of that to someone else. It actually doesn't. It doubly doesn't when said person (me in this case) isn't doing the thing to begin with.

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As to your second paragraph: I'm pretty sure when we talk about healing tools, homogenization is a constant complaint. Again, I'm the only frequent poster here who says that the Healers AREN'T homogenized.

In before everyone lines up (to prove me wrong) insisting all of a sudden, in conflict with their normal views, that Healers are totally not homogenized... <_<

I disagree that this place is an echo chamber because the disagreement here doesn't cater to your lofty standards. We have disagreements here, that already breaks the definition of an echo chamber.

As to your claim that everyone thinks the exact same thing, I made a post in the summary of healer issues thread where I got multiple people opposed to my ideas, even you were opposed, that looks nothing like an echo chamber to me, there was proper and real discussion instead of a bunch of people nodding along and exclaiming "You're right!"

But let's phrase it another way, can you really claim you're here in good faith when you admitted that you're here to oppose an echo chamber? Can we really trust you to not be biased against everything we say? Perhaps you can claim to not be here in bad faith, but can we really say you're here in good faith?

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

[...]If I wasn't here, what would everyone be talking about/disagreeing on?

"A summary of healer issues" - you all agree[...]

Is this referring to that megathread? (Funnily enough I just did a shameless bump minutes ago lol)

If you even bother to read first few couple of pages into the thread you can already see differing opinions, and that number only rise up the deeper you delve into the thread. You will even see some of the frequent posters' points gets opposed. (I.e. I remember ForsakenRoe pointed out some glaring issues I had on my proposed SCH adjustments that I thought it was good, nobody would refuse it. It made me 'oh damn, you're right, I should revise this...') Just because somebody agrees on a minor detail/minutiae, it doesn't mean it translates to "Yeah I agree with you wholeheartedly!". This is something that you tend to misinterpret VERY often.

Also lmao, "you all" ; "you guys"

Really?

[Supersnow845]

Reiner, semiharge, Ty and me are probably the 4 most prolific non renrathos healer thread posters and it’s fair to say we share very similar opinions, however none of us have refused to be open to opposing opinions, nor are we the entire healer forums

[Renathras]

Again, not going to bother with it further. There's genuinely no point, and no one's open to listening to anyone else.

...you know, the very thing we're talking about.

But do continue. Far be it for me to disprove myself by stopping you.

[GrimGale]

>this place is an echo chamber everybody just repeats the same opinions to each other
>also the devs won't listen to you because the suggestions you offer are too different and they can't please all of you.

Which one is it?

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I like Fey Tether honestly, it's a nice bonus. I wish we had a bit more choices regarding the usage of the Fairy Gauge though, for a Job Gauge it feels pretty underused. Aetherflow is much more central to Scholar gameplay.

[Aravell]

Again, not going to bother with it further. There's genuinely no point, and no one's open to listening to anyone else.

...you know, the very thing we're talking about.

But do continue. Far be it for me to disprove myself by stopping you.

You're right, there's no point bothering anymore. You're set in your ground, you will not move. I've tried to correct your misconceptions on the hardcore playerbase which I have experience in, I've tried to correct your misconceptions on high-end SCH play which I also have experience in, you refuse to listen and you still parrot your incorrect points all over, then you claim we're dogpiling you when we're all just trying to correct your wrong information.

You've dodged my questions in 4 different threads when I tried to ascertain your motivations. There really is no point anymore.

[Renathras]

You're right, there's no point bothering anymore. You're set in your ground, you will not move. I've tried to correct your misconceptions on the hardcore playerbase which I have experience in, I've tried to correct your misconceptions on high-end SCH play which I also have experience in, you refuse to listen and you still parrot your incorrect points all over, then you claim we're dogpiling you when we're all just trying to correct your wrong information.

You've dodged my questions in 4 different threads when I tried to ascertain your motivations. There really is no point anymore.

Wow, it's like you're describing yourself.

Huh...

[Supersnow845]

Renrathos hitting with the sizzling “I know you are but what am I” insult, Aravell is on life support after that one

[IDontPetLalas]

Renrathos hitting with the sizzling “I know you are but what am I” insult, Aravell is on life support after that one

I have to admit - I am so tempted to add this to my signature

[Aravell]

Wow, it's like you're describing yourself.

Huh...

Ah yes, this again, the "I know you are but what am I?" line, I hope you know that it makes you look like a fool because I've never done a single one of the things I pointed out that you do. Anyone can look through my post history and see if I ever spread any misinformation.

Renrathos hitting with the sizzling “I know you are but what am I” insult, Aravell is on life support after that one

He's already used it against me 3 times, I fear I may already be in the grave.