7.0 doomium has got to stop

[Renathras]

Seriously, I don't even know where people get the idea that 7.0 is going to end or even partially end the game, it's not just one or two people, it's like the vocal minority of the playerbase but majority of the troll posters.

If you don't like the game at all, unironically save yourself the money and quit now, but by all metrics at this point this game is doing extremely well and growing. There's literally no point in waiting for 7.0 to destroy anything. Spoiler: they won't. Only reason to leave this game is if you genuinely dislike it, not anything wrong with the game itself.

Let me just spoil the ending for all of you: FF14 is going to continue doing amazingly well, growing, and Square Enix is going to continue putting out content at the cadence they've established in like 8.0 or 9.0 or something, continuing to please a growing playerbase.

CBU3 has like literally created one of the most popular MMORPGs on the market, each expansion iterating on the prior one with some lessons learned and some new experiments, that succeeded with the playerbase at large. They clearly know how. Given how they responded to the complaints about things such as the SB and ShB Relics, clearly they're open to feedback, too, iterating to try and find things that people like. So don't huff the doomium really, no need to wait for 7.0. It's already amazing.

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Yes yes, just a reaction to https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...as-got-to-stop , but seriously, we don't need a new thread every other day about how the game is dead. The statistics don't agree with you. If you don't like the game, don't force yourself to play it, but constantly doomposting isn't doing anyone any favors. If you genuinely don't enjoy it - take a break or quit. It's unhealthy to force yourself to engage with something you genuinely don't enjoy.

If you enjoy things/the game, but have some issues with it, then by all means, offer constructive criticism. Actionable stuff that says what you dislike and why, what you like that you think it should be shifted more towards, and actual suggestions on how to address the stuff you don't like. But Doomposting is NOT constructive criticism.

Do what's healthy for you, but incessant posts about how the game is over (when all available metrics - EVEN the Steam data, as I've shown a couple times now - doesn't support that prognosis) is neither healthy nor productive. If you hate the game or its direction so much, you don't need to endlessly post your disagreement. No one does. And basing your premise off of rumors (as the OP did) isn't anywhere close to constructive criticism. It's gossip.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

-insert Picture Meme here-
Followed by
"Who Asked?"
And....the usual replies from the same People...Something-Something Copium...you know the drill

[Karious]

Where's my exploratory zones, or trial series story or job class quests or... You get the idea. I'm expecting them to remove even more content because the visual upgrade cost too much please understand and buy new mogstation mount to fund forspoken 2

[AwesomeJr44]

The meme I was given to be my signature once again proves to be true. There literally can't be a positive thread without it being a reaction to a negative one, it should just be made an official scientific law at this point.

Oh not this time.

This was 100% intended. It wasn't a "positivity" thread. This is me engaging in open mockery a doompost.

My point stands, you're just being more open about it than usual.

[Renathras]

The meme I was given to be my signature once again proves to be true. There literally can't be a positive thread without it being a reaction to a negative one, it should just be made an official scientific law at this point.

Oh not this time.

This was 100% intended. It wasn't a "positivity" thread. This is me engaging in open mockery a doompost.

EDIT:

I honestly don't understand why some people choose to keep suffering (and wasting money) over a game they dislike. Maybe they just enjoy the thrill of having something to complain about.

Agreed. I legitimately think that's what it is at this point given people literally have to pay money AND log into the game to use these forums.

EDIT2:

My point stands, you're just being more open about it than usual.

If you're going to edit a post where someone replied to it later, at least be transparent about it.

No, your point doesn't stand.

Because this isn't a positivity thread.

Your point is that positivity threads only exist in reaction to negativity ones, and you use this to try to make some arcane point about positivity not really existing somehow, and ignore how often someone making a positivity thread stand-alone are also reflected by the doomposters with a negative thread. But the point is, your argument - which is faulty to begin with (positive threads can still be entirely legitimate even if they're a "reaction" to something; your argument is like saying light cannot independently exist as an entity and only has meaning because of darkness, or reconstruction is meaningless because it's only done in response to destruction) - doesn't work when you're not dealing with a positivity thread.

THIS THREAD was mocking - OPENLY mocking - the incessant doomposting and the latest abjectly moronic example of said doomposting.

Stop being a simp for trolls, friend.

[Kozh]

Agreed. I legitimately think that's what it is at this point given people literally have to pay money AND log into the game to use these forums.

Sub is paid monthly, and after we cancel our sub we still have 14 days more to access the forum (iirc).

6.45 just dropped recently.

I'm sure the math is not hard.

[Eorzean_username]

There literally can't be a positive thread without it being a reaction to a negative one, it should just be made an official scientific law at this point.

I mean this isn't as surprising as people make it sound — very few people write letters to Kellogg's gushing about how much they love Cheez-Its, but if there's a formula change and people suddenly think Cheez-Its taste like feet, they'll be a lot more motivated to make the effort to write something. (And/or start scalping them to the ERP crowd in FFXIV PF ads.)

And when people do make positive threads just for the sake of expressing their positive opinions (which... actually does happen), it usually either gets dogpiled by cynical grognards, or just quietly withers away with very little engagement, because saying "Yeah I like this too " just doesn't give the same visceral adrenaline rush as attacking something. (And also feels pointless)

So generally, people who are enjoying or at least neutral about the product will

a) Mostly not be motivated to come find the Official Forums

b) If they do that, not motivated to make an entire thread about something (most people lurk on any forum or anywhere else in life anyway, unless they're angry or passionate enough not to)

c) If they do that, quickly become discouraged or freaked-out by the response, and evacuate to some sort of polar-opposite safe space (like r/ffxiv)

It's perhaps more accurate to say that the "anti-negativity" threads get more attention and hover on the front page longer, because they give people an opportunity to keep talking about the negativity threads by proxy, and extend the back-and-forth vendettas between the Forum Bloods and Crips into another neighborhood.

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There's also a difference between posting "I like Botanist because it gathers flowers "... which like... No one can really productively to respond to that other than "haha me too" or "okay". Better for a place with other systems of agreement/approval, like Reddit Upvotes.

Versus "I like Botanist but I think it would be better if there was a Treant mount rewarded from Botany"... which is technically lobbying for an improvement, but not really criticising the game while doing so (and the type of thread you're more likely to see someone bother to make the effort to create on an O-Forum).

And then there's "Botanist is an example of CBU3 being the most uncreative crew in gaming history, Gathering is doomed and will be a mobile game soon, enjoy Gatherers becoming even stupider and more useless in 7.0".

Usually the ones that are going to trigger counter-responses are the third category because extreme views and lurid language tend to create rebound reactions since they're, by nature, emotionally-targeted.

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That said I think it's mildly amusing that we're reaching the point where General is just going to become an entire front page of thread titles responding to other thread titles in an inception of back-and-forth mockery, which kind of feels like it's evolving into the final boss form that this subforum has always wanted to be.

[Semirhage]

And then there's "Botanist is an example of CBU3 being the most uncreative crew in gaming history, Gathering is doomed and will be a mobile game soon, enjoy Gatherers becoming even stupider and more useless in 7.0".

These threads are so common because

Versus "I like Botanist but I think it would be better if there was a Treant mount rewarded from Botany"... which is technically lobbying for an improvement, but not really criticising the game while doing so (and the type of thread you're more likely to see someone bother to make the effort to create on an O-Forum).

These threads get completely ignored by CBU3. FFXIV's combat system has been swirling the toilet for several expansions now, and every time anyone criticizes it (nicely, not-nicely, neutrally, rudely, whatever) CBU3 comes back with "lol whatever go away people who like engagement, this is Hello Kitty Zero Engagement Adventure now, go play Ultimate or something" followed by the same 5-6 posters going "Yeah! You still pay a sub, so enjoy slop for gameplay or GIT OUT!"

Strange how that frustration builds.

[Stormpeaks]

These threads are so common because



These threads get completely ignored by CBU3. FFXIV's combat system has been swirling the toilet for several expansions now, and every time anyone criticizes it (nicely, not-nicely, neutrally, rudely, whatever) CBU3 comes back with "lol whatever go away people who like engagement, this is Hello Kitty Zero Engagement Adventure now, go play Ultimate or something" followed by the same 5-6 posters going "Yeah! You still pay a sub, so enjoy slop for gameplay or GIT OUT!"

Strange how that frustration builds.

Agree with everything you said tbh, said it a lot better than I would lol, decent feedback has been ignored for years, people are just tired of it at this point, they know it wont get listened to because they just dont care

[AwesomeJr44]

I mean this isn't as surprising as people make it sound — very few people write letters to Kellogg's gushing about how much they love Cheez-Its, but if there's a formula change and people suddenly think Cheez-Its taste like feet, they'll be a lot more motivated to make the effort to write something. (And/or start scalping them to the ERP crowd in FFXIV PF ads.)

I don't find it surprising at all. But if every 'positive/anti-negative' thread is going to be made purely for damage control or taking shots at other threads, then people should stop crying foul when those threads get called out for the ulterior motives behind their creation.