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  1. #121
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    Reminder

    Microtransactions are NEVER a good thing.
    They are predatory on neurodivergent people, people with gambling tendencies, and have absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the product, game, or the people that works in it.

    Microtransactions are morally wrong and completely unethical.
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  2. #122
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau View Post
    They are predatory on neurodivergent people, people with gambling tendencies, and have absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the product, game, or the people that works in it.
    I agree that they're predatory, but they're predatory to everyone, not just certain groups of people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau View Post
    Extremely more predatory to a certain groups of people.
    Fair enough, that's true.
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    Last edited by AwesomeJr44; 07-25-2023 at 07:56 AM.

  3. #123
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    Quote Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44 View Post
    I agree that they're predatory, but they're predatory to everyone, not just certain groups of people.
    Extremely more predatory to a certain groups of people.
    Unethically so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau View Post
    Reminder

    Microtransactions are NEVER a good thing.
    They are predatory on neurodivergent people, people with gambling tendencies, and have absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the product, game, or the people that works in it.

    Microtransactions are morally wrong and completely unethical.
    That's kinda a really disingenuous statement without context. The term microtransaction is usually used for games that promote lootboxes, gacha mechanics and pay to win. Nothing of which applies to the XIV store. I mean, to be fair if your glam is bad i guess that makes you also a bad player but yeah...

    So it's kinda unfair of you to leave that specific context out, since the gacha mechanics of most freemium microtransaction games are the thing that is addictive, especially when the game is specifically designed to give you more power the more money you spend. Again nothing of which applies to XIV.

    Lastly XIV, unlike microtransaction games, doesn't push invasive advertisement onto you. Or have you seen popups ingame about the latest store items? Me neither.

    So next time maybe show the full picture cause your half baked attempt to paint something as the same as gacha cashgrab games is also very morally wrong and unethical.
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  5. #125
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranaku View Post
    The term microtransaction is usually used for games that promote lootboxes
    No.
    Cash Shops ARE microtransactions. That usually is just an assumption.

    Here is the definition: Microtransactions, sometimes abbreviated as mtx, are a business model where users can purchase virtual goods with micropayments.
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    "The will of my friends has etched into my heart, and now ill transform this infinite darkness into eternal light
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  6. #126
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    Quote Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44 View Post


    This one thinks that money is actually getting reinvested back into the game!
    Yes. This has always been the case. Why there's a new facet of players who are ignorant of this fact and refuse to accept it is beyond me, but you haven't a clue what you're saying and are probably far too wet behind the ears in terms of when you started playing to even know what you're saying. XIV's revenue from subs and unit sales is used amongst the company; sales revenue in any company is utilized this way, but Mogstation has always gone back into the game as its CBU3's way of bolstering their own budget.

    That is literally the whole point and has been since it was introduced alongside the Gold Saucer.\

    Its funded new server hardware, new data centers, world visit, fanfests, extra merch development, concerts, media tours and DC travel among other things and they have always been incredibly transparent about this fact. The cash shop is the only way we can directly support CBU3 and XIV's continued development as all other revenue from the game is not exclusive to the project.
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  7. #127
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau View Post
    No.
    Cash Shops ARE microtransactions. That usually is just an assumption.

    Here is the definition: Microtransactions, sometimes abbreviated as mtx, are a business model where users can purchase virtual goods with micropayments.
    I like how you get your definitions from wikipedia, lol. If you continue reading the entry instead of just the first line you might learn something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aniya_Estlihn View Post
    Yes. This has always been the case. Why there's a new facet of players who are ignorant of this fact and refuse to accept it is beyond me, but you haven't a clue what you're saying and are probably far too wet behind the ears in terms of when you started playing to even know what you're saying. XIV's revenue from subs and unit sales is used amongst the company; sales revenue in any company is utilized this way, but Mogstation has always gone back into the game as its CBU3's way of bolstering their own budget.

    That is literally the whole point and has been since it was introduced alongside the Gold Saucer.\

    Its funded new server hardware, new data centers, world visit, fanfests, extra merch development, concerts, media tours and DC travel among other things and they have always been incredibly transparent about this fact. The cash shop is the only way we can directly support CBU3 and XIV's continued development as all other revenue from the game is not exclusive to the project.
    I aint reading all that I seen enough with the first sentence

    cope more
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  9. #129
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    Quote Originally Posted by LilimoLimomo View Post
    I mean, it's complicated.

    I don't think this is a black-or-white issue, and without saying that each side is equal, I will say there are compelling ideas and values on each side. So I guess what I'll close with is simply encouragement to engage with the true nuance of this issue, rather than trying to paint it as all good or all bad.
    The well has been poisoned. Even somewhat tempered responses to this come off very hollow in the minds of the perpetually disappointed.

    I personally think this is absolutely repugnant, even more so when I've learned that this isn't even going to be a reward in game or included in the Fanfest ticket, which already had a price increase.

    How am I really supposed to have a "balanced, well-thought discourse" with these "enlightened centrists" who say "If I don't like it, don't buy it" when literally THIS patch a significant amount of BLU Eden Savage groups fell apart because Shadowkeeper, an Eden-inspired Mount, was thrown into the cash shop, and some people are just more extrinsically motivated than others, even more so after dealing with patch after patch of controversies in their corner of the game.

    I assure you, I'm sure more reactions would be nuanced and measured if Square Enix would extend the same courtesy more then the number of fingers on my hand. There's no complex dynamic here, from their perspective. SE gets more money. That's all that matters, objectively. I'm sure they aren't hurting by a nice bonus on the financials this quarter.

    The well is poisoned. Any feedback given is too tainted by hate, towards SE, in favor of SE, or to each other. Unfortunate it has come to this.
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    Last edited by OdinelStarrei; 07-25-2023 at 07:46 AM.
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    this is my opinion. don't have share my opinion. don't have like my opinion. but know nothing you say or do is gonna make me change my opinion. if don't like that tough.

  10. #130
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aniya_Estlihn View Post
    whatever this says, not reading it lol


    Your money paid for flops like Forspoken LOL

    Quote Originally Posted by OdinelStarrei View Post
    Tow am I really supposed to have a "balanced, well-thought discourse" with these "enlightened centrists" who say "If I don't like it, don't buy it" when literally THIS patch a significant amount of BLU Eden Savage groups fell apart because Shadowkeeper, an Eden-inspired Mount, was thrown into the cash shop, and some people are just more extrinsically motivated than others, even more so after dealing with patch after patch of controversies in their corner of the game.
    I don't usually do BLU savage raids, but I probably would have gotten around to it if they had Shadowkeeper as the reward. I'm not doing old savage raids as BLU for a title as bad as "Forbidden Blue".
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