Please prevent pre-made parties from queueing into Frontline

[Xylira]

Once more, just address the unholy combo or give FLs their own job balance and what have you, and the problem will disappear on its own. Your solution is literally using a nuke to kill a fly, and to hell with all the collateral damage.

Did you not actually read my last post? I specifically said that I don't necessarily think that premades should actually be banned, but that in the very least that SE needs to do better when it comes to job balancing for FL in large part because of premades.

It's like no one is actually reading what I post and just assuming that I want premades banned because I dared to point out that premades do in fact have advantages.

[Valence]

I'm so confused at what your point is supposed to be about if premades are not a problem then.

[RyanCousland]

I think I'd be in favor of the 72 man being solo provided there be an alternative 3 gc 8 team premade mode, I understand anyone's grievances but if we're requesting alterations or restrictions please have an alternative to couple with it

[RyanCousland]

I think I'd be in favor of the 72 man being solo provided there be an alternative 3 gc 8 team premade mode, I understand anyone's grievances but if we're requesting alterations or restrictions please have an alternative to couple with it

Make it 4 or 5 gc

[Xylira]

I also didn't say that premades weren't a problem. They are part of the problem, not necessarily the problem.

The terrible balancing of job synergy in FL is also part of the problem.

Premades would be tolerable if the balance of job synergy wasn't so poorly balanced as they are that combinations exist that can easily wipe entire teams. And the issue of job synergy balance wouldn't be so bad if there weren't premades going out of their way to abuse the balance issues to maximum effect. It's the combination of the two things together that is the real issue.

I'm all for it if SE would actually put more effort into balancing for FLs. But I get the feeling they're just going to ignore it as usual. At the end of the day, I just want the issue dealt with in one way or another.

[Anonemoose]

All of the highlighted problems don't occur on the JP servers. Therefore as far as the devs concerned it could not possibly be a problem because it doesn't exist and so they won't be doing anything about it. Quesync abuse, the proliferation of the dogshit DRK/DRG meta, and so on, is symptomatic of American exceptionalism which is why NA and to an extent EU have been destroyed. What would happen if you "invaded" JP and engaged in this behaviour on their servers? Well they'd just ban you and they still wouldn't do anything about it you stupid gaijin.

[Kowen]

All of the highlighted problems don't occur on the JP servers. Therefore as far as the devs concerned it could not possibly be a problem because it doesn't exist and so they won't be doing anything about it. Quesync abuse, the proliferation of the dogshit DRK/DRG meta, and so on, is symptomatic of American exceptionalism which is why NA and to an extent EU have been destroyed. What would happen if you "invaded" JP and engaged in this behaviour on their servers? Well they'd just ban you and they still wouldn't do anything about it you stupid gaijin.

This simply isn't true. If you go on the JP PVP forums and search for 暗黒騎士 (DRK), or 竜騎士 (DRG) and use Google Translate, you'll find plenty of popular posts with the same feedback people give here on the English forums.

[Absurdity]

The issue really just boils down to this game's dogwater netcode when it comes to pvp.

Salted Earth+Skyshatter or really just Salted Earth+AoE spam in general is a completely braindead tactic that could easily be countered by just guarding, the problem is that it takes 5 hours for Guard to activate so you simply die anyway and that is also what makes it so frustrating.

The tactic is dumb, it is easily countered, but the game itself won't let you.

[AriannaStormwake]

for FL its same as it was for unrated pvp in wow not just the premade issues
but also too few real players want to win rest are there for the free exp
when your team score is low(not damage score) (and dont go to objectives where 1 player links in chat)
but for me the real question is why is there no roulette for Rival Wings(Hidden Gorge or whatever)?
i remember doing it alot for the tomes to buy the ixion mount on few characters for mendacity tomes
and being more fun than frontlines

[Mawlzy]

IMO what makes it fine in Frontlines is the fact you can fully communicate in party and alliance chat. A solo queue DRK who marks themselves and calls out a countdown before they dive in can be just as effective as one in a pre-made (assuming people pay attention).

Hmmm. Compare typing into alliance chat while trying to move around to an experienced premade on voice coordinating their LBs. I'd suggest the latter is far more effective, particularly at n00b-stomping. Unfortunately, irrespective of the actual effectiveness of premades, there is a growing perception that they are dominating the mode. That both turns people away and adds to toxicity.

Slightly orthogonally, I had an idea that has probably been brought up before and dismissed. Why not make PvP mentorship meaningful by assigning each team a non-combatant commander? This came to me after a FL match in which half my team were galloping very confidently towards an objective, only to be passed by the other half of our team galloping in the opposite direction. Just use any mentor who queued in, and reduce the contest to 23v23v23. That's a little closer to 8v8v8.