The Devs Listen to Us

[Katish]

Case in point with healers - I readily find I have instant queues with tanks, but ~1 minute queues w/ healers. What does this tell us? More people are queuing as healers than as tanks. So, more than enough people are either straight-up enjoying healing, or at least find it sufficiently good enough that they're actively choosing to play it. If anything, it suggests tanks might warrant some kind of tweaks to make them as appealing as healers are now. Again, however we much we might desperately want the world to agree with us, the reality is that compared to the size of the playerbase, you need a truly enormous number of people to actually represent anything significant. The devs listen - and see that healers are okay right now.

This isn't quite true...in mentor roulette even though it shows tanks as needed, I queue in and have to wait a bit sometimes. If I queue in as a healer, most of the time I get insta-queued. I think there is some priority system for checking tanks first. As mentor roulette has no limit on what you can be queued in for it shows the true "in need" I'd say...In reality healers are in the need more but the tank privilege is shinning through because that is the class that say it is always in need, despite it not really being so. I have also seen DPS show up as "in need" but very rarely for mentor roulette. Healer though? In mentor roulette I haven't seen it appear..which is odd. Or if it did, it was gone at first glance.

[Heroman3003]

This isn't quite true...in mentor roulette even though it shows tanks as needed, I queue in and have to wait a bit sometimes. If I queue in as a healer most of the time I get insta-queued. I think there is some priority system for checking tanks first. As mentor roulette has no limit on what you can be queued in for...I'd say healers are in the need but the tank privilege is shinning through.

It can go either way, and there is issue where the updates to roles needed are too infrequent and sometimes straight up delayed. The priority list is overall Tank > Healer > DPS, but because it updates with delay it often is inaccurate representation of actual needs. I had it go both ways, queueing in healer needed as healer for instant pops, and queuing for tank needed for instant pop as healer. The only thing thats actually clear from that is that tank and healer are, overall, less played than DPS but thats true of p much any mmo.

[Wyssahtyn]

devs listen so well that they completely ignored all feedback related to Kaiten that they specifically asked for to the point of just skipping over even mentioning samurai in any pve related live letter since (afaik anyway, i stopped paying attention to them after 6.2 came and went).

[Katish]

It can go either way, and there is issue where the updates to roles needed are too infrequent and sometimes straight up delayed. The priority list is overall Tank > Healer > DPS, but because it updates with delay it often is inaccurate representation of actual needs. I had it go both ways, queueing in healer needed as healer for instant pops, and queuing for tank needed for instant pop as healer. The only thing thats actually clear from that is that tank and healer are, overall, less played than DPS but thats true of p much any mmo.

Yeah but that doesn't explain why in mentor roulette healer role needed is nonexistent where I have seen dps needed is what I'm saying. I think it's tanks>dps>healers where dps frequent too much of a majority when queuing for normal things that it offsets and skips straight to healer with the exception of alliance raids as a majority needed are DPS which would make sense given more likely dps needed is seen on them {I imagine this might be due to party queuings where healers and tanks are accounted for in the queue so it takes DPS even more so}

[Heroman3003]

Yeah but that doesn't explain why in mentor roulette healer role needed is nonexistent where I have seen dps needed is what I'm saying. I think it's tanks>dps>healers where dps frequent too much of a majority when queuing for normal things that it offsets and skips straight to healer with the exception of alliance raids as a majority needed are DPS.

Idk, I usually only see DPS needed in peak hours and barely ever outside Alliance, Trials and Raid roulettes. I do see healer regularly on any dungeon roulette tho, but usually only one or two of them. Might just be different DC thing.

[Katish]

Idk, I usually only see DPS needed in peak hours and barely ever outside Alliance, Trials and Raid roulettes. I do see healer regularly on any dungeon roulette tho, but usually only one or two of them. Might just be different DC thing.

That's because the ones queuing are dps so I imagine it skips to healer in priority order because dps are the majority of players as mentioned by you. Since lots of dps are queuing for it, it goes next in line outside alliance raids and trials sometimes where the dps may be seen needed because it requires more of them. It makes sense logically if that is the case as to why I've never seen healers appear in mentor roulette needed, despite them being an insta-queue and tanks sometimes not.

[Supersnow845]

The adventurer in need doesn’t reflect actual queue times because the system is designed to check tanks first

Say in the last 10 minutes
-50 tanks
-20 healers
-300 DPS

Have queued for the expert roulette, the system has a set amount based on queues that it will use to determine what constitutes being adventurer in need, say it decides that if there is less than 60 of a role that role is adventurer in need, it will check tanks first, see there less than 60 tanks and list that as adventurer in need despite there being less healers overall whos queues end up popping faster

It’s also why at 3am server time when all the queues are dead the queues all basically default to tank being adventurer in need; because there isn’t enough people for any of the roles but tank is checked first

About the only thing you can use adventurer in need to determine is if there is DPS in need for any roulette other than the alliance roulette then there is a current shortage of DPS at that singular time point, adventurer in need is useless at comparing tanks to healers

[Katish]

The adventurer in need doesn’t reflect actual queue times because the system is designed to check tanks first

Say in the last 10 minutes
-50 tanks
-20 healers
-300 DPS

Have queued for the expert roulette, the system has a set amount based on queues that it will use to determine what constitutes being adventurer in need, say it decides that if there is less than 60 of a role that role is adventurer in need, it will check tanks first, see there less than 60 tanks and list that as adventurer in need despite there being less healers overall whos queues end up popping faster

It’s also why at 3am server time when all the queues are dead the queues all basically default to tank being adventurer in need; because there isn’t enough people for any of the roles but tank is checked first

About the only thing you can use adventurer in need to determine is if there is DPS in need for any roulette other than the alliance roulette then there is a current shortage of DPS at that singular time point, adventurer in need is useless at comparing tanks to healers

This is what I suspect it is too or something like this anyway.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Toxicity is Toxicity
Both can be Good and Bad.

[Rufalus]

I like the forums lately because it seems like the majority of people have caught up to the way I've been feeling for a while. We don't really want to quit. We become harsh critics because we want S-E to do better and give us reasons to stay.

It's a flagship product carrying a brand that has delivered some of the greatest games of all time. They never should churn out the same gameplay loop for so many years as if it was perfect from the start. After 10 years of iterating the same patch cycle, they can do better.