The kind of feedback that Square Enix listens to

[Reinha]

The truth is, they don't listen to feedback. We're all just throwing out suggestions amongst each other, and sometimes what an individual wants just happens to align with what the devs decide to do. That does not mean our feedback affects their game design.

There are more than 3 million downloads of Simple Tweaks and that shows many players are fed up to the point where they no longer care if they get banned and would rather not play the game than play it without fixes. This increased use of addons actually got the devs to implement some improvements (you are welcome PS5 players). If you want more QoL changes, well... you can guess what the best approach is. Feedback and complaining, however, are useless. The game is on maintenance mode. It will be the exact same game 10 years from now so you can either keep enjoying the parts that are enjoyable, or move on.

[CStrife912]

The truth is, they don't listen to feedback. We're all just throwing out suggestions amongst each other, and sometimes what an individual wants just happens to align with what the devs decide to do. That does not mean our feedback affects their game design.

There are more than 3 million downloads of Simple Tweaks and that shows many players are fed up to the point where they no longer care if they get banned and would rather not play the game than play it without fixes. This increased use of addons actually got the devs to implement some improvements (you are welcome PS5 players). If you want more QoL changes, well... you can guess what the best approach is. Feedback and complaining, however, are useless. The game is on maintenance mode. It will be the exact same game 10 years from now so you can either keep enjoying the parts that are enjoyable, or move on.

A bit of doomsaying with no real basis to back the claim...I'm a PS5 player and to be fair I don't look into the mod scene but I thank the modders who get their stuff put into the main game. Some people such as yourself really don't know what maintenance mode really means or implies....its essentially saying the game wont get any new content what so ever and will just be server managed to make sure the game can keep operational till its eventual death or turn off. They would not buy more servers, data centers, graphics update the game (with an implied more down the road) eventually dropping ps4 support in the future etc if they were like 'welp guess its on maintenance mode' they would just leave it then invest into it. Its their golden goose and it dominates their quarterly earnings nearly every time...until 7.0 is out and maybe 7.1 live letters can we even really contemplate direction or really go in on this doomsaying speal.

[Vyrerus]

FFXI is the one that went into maintenance mode, not XIV. How silly lol.

Damn, ya'll taking this Beastmaster back to 2011......
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/t...l=1#post212737

Heh, you're taking me back to 2009.

In FFXI there were the infamous Salvage Bans.

In an event called Salvage, as well as a couple of other events that used the same drop system, there was an exploit where if you split your alliance after drops came off a mob, but before anyone rolled on them, you could duplicate the drops by the amount of parties you had (so one drop becomes three).

The exploit was run from close the time of Salvage's inception in mid 2006 until it was fixed in LATE 2008. Then, in early 2009, SE banned around 1000 player accounts, over half of them permanently. All known banned accounts were NA. And almost all of the permanently banned ones were NA players who'd achieved a lot in the game (Maat's Cap, Relics, even a few ill gotten Mythics). This actually destabilized a lot of endgame linkshells on NA servers, because a lot of these folks were linkshell leaders or at the very least, officers.

Of course, a lot of the folks who got banned were complete shitbag people who did a lot more cheating than just the one exploit, but it was weird that we never got any of the JP numbers or heard about any strife with those infamous bans from the JP community.

And you'd think that we would, because among the NA bans, there were actually people who either unwittingly encountered the exploit, either by being a group doing it without being told it was happening, or by stumbling onto it while joking around with the alliance system (in general, if you claim an NM in XI, and then break party, you keep the mob and the party loses out on chances for drops, last second party breaks just as a mob died were sometimes done to cuck people out of drops). Some accounts banned only ever tried Salvage once, and just happened to stumble into the exploit per the aforementioned ways.

Some claim that we didn't hear from JP banned accounts, due to their culture respecting privacy/them not wanting to be shamed. Meanwhile on 2chan ざまーみろ！or ざまーみやがれ！

So there's a case to be made that perhaps the bans were done to put JP players back ahead of the NA players in terms of achievements. At the time, the player with the most achievements was NA, had six or seven relics, a lot of HQ HNM gear, and was continuing to outpace the top JP player. And he got annihilated in the ban heh, while the JP one did not.

[Lunalepsy]

FEEDBACK WE LISTEN TO:

- JP community outraged about "illegal" markers, starting a witch hunt, mass reporting, making death threats to the people who made those "illegal" markers

- JP community outraged about cheating in Savage and Ultimate by world prog teams, starting a witch hunt, mass reporting, making death threats, and stalking Twitch to find low viewer channels with third party plugins to report.

- 2ch trolls mentioning how a single 40px by 40px asset triggers their trypophobia, a condition that is not medically recognized.

FEEDBACK WE DO NOT LISTEN TO:

- Longstanding complaints about job design

- Longstanding complaints about encounter incentives

- Longstanding complaints about character customization

- Longstanding complaints about content variety and depth

This man gets paid to create as many accounts as possible, but he is speaking the truth for once!

[Oizen]

SE has always had a Mother Knows Best mentality with basically any game they've made, they respond to the feedback you mentioned because its easy to do so, effortless, and their stances are really, really safe.
Especially when dealing with the two faced community's moral outrages against 3rd party plugins that they subsequently cannot actually play without. (Shoutouts to all the ERP mod addict on twitter calling out the TOP players for cheating).

Fixing the game's real issues would take far more effort, effort they really don't even need to spend considering the game is successful as is.

[Koros]

SE has always had a Mother Knows Best mentality with basically any game they've made, they respond to the feedback you mentioned because its easy to do so, effortless, and their stances are really, really safe.
Especially when dealing with the two faced community's moral outrages against 3rd party plugins that they subsequently cannot actually play without. (Shoutouts to all the ERP mod addict on twitter calling out the TOP players for cheating).

Fixing the game's real issues would take far more effort, effort they really don't even need to spend considering the game is successful as is.

Yep, sadly money is everything.

[AwesomeJr44]

Its their golden goose and it dominates their quarterly earnings nearly every time

Yeah, now if only SE actually treated FFXIV like that and reinvested some of the profits back into the game. Instead those profits get put into dead on arrival failures like Forspoken, and FFXIV gets treated like this:

[grinkdaboy]

FEEDBACK WE LISTEN TO:

- JP community outraged about "illegal" markers, starting a witch hunt, mass reporting, making death threats to the people who made those "illegal" markers

- JP community outraged about cheating in Savage and Ultimate by world prog teams, starting a witch hunt, mass reporting, making death threats, and stalking Twitch to find low viewer channels with third party plugins to report.

- 2ch trolls mentioning how a single 40px by 40px asset triggers their trypophobia, a condition that is not medically recognized.

FEEDBACK WE DO NOT LISTEN TO:

- Longstanding complaints about job design

- Longstanding complaints about encounter incentives

- Longstanding complaints about character customization

- Longstanding complaints about content variety and depth

did it take you this long to figure out that SE only cares about its jp playerbase and consumers? no matter what they say they only listen to and bend over backwards for jp. maybe it's time to start making complaint threads on the JP forums again

[Kaliesto]

did it take you this long to figure out that SE only cares about its jp playerbase and consumers? no matter what they say they only listen to and bend over backwards for jp. maybe it's time to start making complaint threads on the JP forums again

+1 to that, its time to abandon the English Forums and head over there.

Well not entirely abandon, but least get our voice heard in some capacity.

[DragonFlyy]

- Longstanding complaints about character customization

What complaints? The ones about the two races that can't wear hats that we have known from DAY ONE that they can't and won't be wearing hats?