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[Stormpeaks]

What? No.

Demolition is a necessary evil. It sucks, but without it we'd be looking at entire wards full of abandoned houses and no plots would EVER go up for sale outside of the occasional server move.

Yeah surely SE which is a small indie company has no way to fix housing

Come on lmao

[Theodric]

Demolition is a necessary evil.

I disagree on that front. The Elder Scrolls Online also boasts player housing and opens it up to absolutely everybody, has each house be account bound and there's no risk of any house purchased being removed. At some points, they've even given out rather sizable houses for free.

It's been a common complaint for years that the housing system in FFXIV needs work. I'm lucky enough to own a large house, so this isn't even a case of me speaking as someone who lacks a house. I just think it's a very predatory system and deliberately kept that way to encourage players to subscribe rather than actually take a break. I know if I lost my house, I would have absolutely no interest in returning even if the game improved since the chances of getting lucky enough to acquire a replacement is minimal.

Furthermore, the housing demolition recently reactivated the day before FFXVI launched. A convenient coincidence, especially when we're encouraged to play other games during a content drought.

I also have very little sympathy for the idea that it would be 'too expensive' for the company to maintain houses for players. Especially given the sort of marketing gimmicks that the company throws money at, or the likes of Babylon's Fall, Forspoken and the various mobile games that have been recently discontinued.

Who knows? Maybe if Yoshi-P actually sat down with regular players and got some polite but firm criticism these issues would be addressed. Though it's clear he'd rather listen to 'content creators' and 'influencers' who do little but praise him in exchange for exclusive invites to special events and free merchandise that they shamelessly promote on their streams.

[Stormpeaks]

I disagree on that front. The Elder Scrolls Online also boasts player housing and opens it up to absolutely everybody, has each house be account bound and there's no risk of any house purchased being removed. At some points, they've even given out rather sizable houses for free.

It's been a common complaint for years that the housing system in FFXIV needs work. I'm lucky enough to own a large house, so this isn't even a case of me speaking as someone who lacks a house. I just think it's a very predatory system and deliberately kept that way to encourage players to subscribe rather than actually take a break. I know if I lost my house, I would have absolutely no interest in returning even if the game improved since the chances of getting lucky enough to acquire a replacement is minimal.

Furthermore, the housing demolition recently reactivated the day before FFXVI launched. A convenient coincidence, especially when we're encouraged to play other games during a content drought.

I also have very little sympathy for the idea that it would be 'too expensive' for the company to maintain houses for players. Especially given the sort of marketing gimmicks that the company throws money at, or the likes of Babylon's Fall, Forspoken and the various mobile games that have been recently discontinued.

Who knows? Maybe if Yoshi-P actually sat down with regular players and got some polite but firm criticism these issues would be addressed. Though it's clear he'd rather listen to 'content creators' and 'influencers' who do little but praise him in exchange for exclusive invites to special events and free merchandise that they shamelessly promote on their streams.

People always act as if SE HAS to put up auto demo because otherwise there wouldnt be any house for sale

SE literally decides how housing goes, they decide if they want to add more ward or not, they could fix housing in 24 hrs of time if they wanted to, they just dont want to because it locks people in with their houses except if they want to wait months or years to get their old house.

Auto demo IS NOT needed, SE makes it needed because they get money from it. Some of you people actually need to stop acting like square is a small indie company, seriously lol. (to clarify this isnt aimed at you Theodric)

[Vrankyl]

People always act as if SE HAS to put up auto demo because otherwise there wouldnt be any house for sale

SE literally decides how housing goes, they decide if they want to add more ward or not, they could fix housing in 24 hrs of time if they wanted to, they just dont want to because it locks people in with their houses except if they want to wait months or years to get their old house.

Auto demo IS NOT needed, SE makes it needed because they get money from it. Some of you people actually need to stop acting like square is a small indie company, seriously lol. (to clarify this isnt aimed at you Theodric)

While they don't need to have the housing demolition thing, we're probably a bit too late in the game to get a complete and total overhaul. Not to mention they would have to worry about angering those that like the ward system over full instanced housing. (It's weird I know but there are some people). The cost of such an overhaul is likely too much for big daddy Corporate SE to approve CBU3 to do.

That all said, I am hoping that what they are trying with the glamour thing on the islands for exterior furnishings is a testing ground to apply something like that to housing.

[Stormpeaks]

While they don't need to have the housing demolition thing, we're probably a bit too late in the game to get a complete and total overhaul. Not to mention they would have to worry about angering those that like the ward system over full instanced housing. (It's weird I know but there are some people). The cost of such an overhaul is likely too much for big daddy Corporate SE to approve CBU3 to do.

That all said, I am hoping that what they are trying with the glamour thing on the islands for exterior furnishings is a testing ground to apply something like that to housing.

I am part of those with ward houses, and they should just slap instanced housing on the island and remove auto demo at this point or at least make it 6 months or so instead of 45 days.

[SturmChurro]

While they don't need to have the housing demolition thing, we're probably a bit too late in the game to get a complete and total overhaul. Not to mention they would have to worry about angering those that like the ward system over full instanced housing. (It's weird I know but there are some people). The cost of such an overhaul is likely too much for big daddy Corporate SE to approve CBU3 to do.

That all said, I am hoping that what they are trying with the glamour thing on the islands for exterior furnishings is a testing ground to apply something like that to housing.

I don't agree. We are supposed to have had some 10 year plan, as far as I am aware. Plenty of games have lasted for a fraction of that amount of time. Housing needs changing.

I am part of those with ward houses, and they should just slap instanced housing on the island and remove auto demo at this point or at least make it 6 months or so instead of 45 days.

I didn't have a large or medium, so mine just wasn't worth the cost. And again, if I was to actively play, where I am at, I can just grab another small whenever I want.

With the lengthy period in-between patches, it is very difficult to justify the cost or naturally be subbed during this period. Unfortunately, it does benefit SE to not update the system. The short period for an auto-demo is definitely suspect..

[LilimoLimomo]

The Elder Scrolls Online also boasts player housing and opens it up to absolutely everybody, has each house be account bound and there's no risk of any house purchased being removed.

It's been awhile since I played ESO, but if I recall it doesn't have anything akin to wards, but rather each player's distinct house exists in its own instance, right?

If that's the case, I don't think that's too different than how FF14 has apartments. There's no auto-demolition for those and absolutely everyone can have one. The lone different seems like it would be that apartments don't give you an outside of the house, while if I recall ESO might?

[LilimoLimomo]

they decide if they want to add more ward or not, they could fix housing in 24 hrs of time if they wanted to

In the past Yoshi-P has talked about how it takes a lot of manual labor for the team to create new housing wards. Do you think he's lying, or potentially have evidence to the contrary? I've taken him at his word but if there's a compelling reason not to I'd be interested in hearing it.

[SturmChurro]

It's been awhile since I played ESO, but if I recall it doesn't have anything akin to wards, but rather each player's distinct house exists in its own instance, right?

If that's the case, I don't think that's too different than how FF14 has apartments. There's no auto-demolition for those and absolutely everyone can have one. The lone different seems like it would be that apartments don't give you an outside of the house, while if I recall ESO might?

I also have not played ESO for several years now. Their system is instanced, and you can even see the house locations in world. You could compare them to apartments, but ESO's properties are... just that properties. Some are only the inside, but others are large estates that you can completely decorate inside and out. There are styles for pretty much anything you are looking for. Having something like that in FFXIV would be a dream come true, for housing enthusiasts.

Keep in mind, they do also sell many decorations in the cash shop (Not that SE doesn't do the same), so there is an additional incentive for them to have given out large estates (that need to be decorated).

[Deo14]

In the past Yoshi-P has talked about how it takes a lot of manual labor for the team to create new housing wards. Do you think he's lying, or potentially have evidence to the contrary? I've taken him at his word but if there's a compelling reason not to I'd be interested in hearing it.

He's the main PR guy, there was a lot of lies or inaccuracies he told throughout the game's lifespan. If you're really curious, I could give you few examples, or there also was a thread about it, you could check it out.

And do you believe that we should just settle with terrible state of housing , just because it would be "a lot of manual labor" for devs? That's their job, and players would clearly love it if they finally fixed it.