Request to adjust Criterion Rewards

[elioaiko]

I'm honestly surprised they didn't attach the new relic grind to it. What a better way to get people to try new content than to intergrate it into your new dungeon content.

The rewards are very lacking. Not even attaching a glam or mounts can bring people to it. They could have made gear that is a half step into between Savage and unagumented tome gear to bridge the gearing process.

[Shenlao]

I think people are talking about something different here with attaching the relic grind cause pretty sure the relic grind is meant to be a casual activity.
I don't think attaching it to what is kinda savage tier difficulty content is really a thing that makes a whole lot of sense.
Regardless I think we can pack it up it's pretty clear that there is not enough traction for this thing to matter so if it's even on their radar it's gotta be something way at the bottom. It is what it is.

[AwesomeJr44]

So first of all I don't want this thread to be full of game design armchairing on what the rewards should be.

"I don't want people in the thread to 'game design armchair' on what the rewards should be."

So it seems like not enough people care too much about this so I guess gotta accept that me wanting Criterion to have stronger content presence in PF beyond the release is a hard minority wish. Discord communities it is.

"People aren't posting in my thread!"

The duality of man.

But in all seriousness, I am going to 'game design armchair' here and say that there should be a gear reward in Criterion. One solution could be to make new current BiS ilv gear as a reward with different substats than Savage or Tome gear that can act as a sidegrade for some slots. (Example: Savage piece has Det/DH, Tome piece has SKS/DH, Criterion has Crit/Det) Another, more boring solution would be to offer Twines and Shines to help with the Tome gearing process.

[Absurdity]

Ah my mistake on that bullet. But my point remains the same that they shouldn't be tied.

Attaching the relic to variant dungeons would be fine since those can be done solo and would still be just as easily attainable in the future.
This wouldn't solve the issue of Criterion and Criterion savage having terrible rewards however.

[Reinha]

I was really hoping criterion would be middleground content that we could farm for extra gear outside of buying crafting and tome stuff (or normal raid gear). It'd keep me busy awhile

It should have dropped 650 gear so people who are doing savage could gear up their alts with slightly lesser gear and people who aren't doing savage could have an alternative to tome gear either for alts or to use different stats.

[Supersnow845]

It should have dropped 650 gear so people who are doing savage could gear up their alts with slightly lesser gear and people who aren't doing savage could have an alternative to tome gear either for alts or to use different stats.

Criterion gear being another 650 option so people had a third alternative between tome gear and savage gear for gearing options is such a fantastic idea it’s no wonder square decided to pretend like it wasn’t an option

[Xelanar]

It should have dropped 650 gear so people who are doing savage could gear up their alts with slightly lesser gear and people who aren't doing savage could have an alternative to tome gear either for alts or to use different stats.

I'd even go as far as to have it drop 660 gear. The dungeon itself syncs at 665, so basically developers intend you to go in there with BiS gear. I see no reason why it shouldn't also drop there then.
By the time 6.45 hit, savage raids had been out long enough to justify a viable alternative for gearing up, I think. Having savage glamour more accessible is not a bad thing either, and considering there are people out there, who don't even do savage raiding, it would allow them access to BiS gear too. Technically thed don't NEED it for anything, but I know a lot of people who would like to have it, just for the sake of having it.

It's not like they would have to design an entire different set of gear either. They could always just attach currency and a vendor for buying savage raid gear, books, item coffers or upgrade materials and such. If for some reason they were scared of people gearing up too quickly at this point, they could even add a weekly cap to that currency.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

I'd even go as far as to have it drop 660 gear. The dungeon itself syncs at 665, so basically developers intend you to go in there with BiS gear. I see no reason why it shouldn't also drop there then.
By the time 6.45 hit, savage raids had been out long enough to justify a viable alternative for gearing up, I think. Having savage glamour more accessible is not a bad thing either, and considering there are people out there, who don't even do savage raiding, it would allow them access to BiS gear too. Technically thed don't NEED it for anything, but I know a lot of people who would like to have it, just for the sake of having it.

It's not like they would have to design an entire different set of gear either. They could always just attach currency and a vendor for buying savage raid gear, books, item coffers or upgrade materials and such. If for some reason they were scared of people gearing up too quickly at this point, they could even add a weekly cap to that currency.

Not on board with it giving an equivalent to Savage or Augmented Tome gear, especially not for Criterion Normal and not before the respective catchup patch (x.1, x.3, x.5 aka the Alliance Raid patches). 5 or 10 item levels below for normal is reasonable enough.

[Xaphire]

Criterion dungeon rewards are exactly what they should be. Glamour, mounts, minions, and lore. It doesn't need to be an avenue for gear.

[Supersnow845]

Criterion dungeon rewards are exactly what they should be. Glamour, mounts, minions, and lore. It doesn't need to be an avenue for gear.

If it’s exactly what it should be why has the content died on arrival twice now