Time to Quit

[Theodric]

It's certainly not what I expect out of a fantasy RPG, which is what the game is primarily marketed as.

Quite a lot of fantasy RPG's do have some form of player housing, though, to be fair. It's pretty much become a staple for me. I like immersing myself in a game world and having a slice of that game world to call my own allows for me to do as much.

The Witcher 3 has a house for Geralt to acquire. Stardew Valley revolves heavily around a farmhouse - and farm - to be customised to one's liking. Monster Hunter World has partial player housing. Skyrim, even unmodded, has DLC that allows for player housing. The Elder Scrolls Online has player housing and very intricate furnishing/house designs at that. Even World of Warcraft has a variant of player housing, limited in design in the form of garrisons.

Certainly, it isn't a mandatory feature or something everybody is interested in but I'd wager the amount of people who do like player housing is pretty meaty. There's also individuals who do not like decorating a house themselves but appreciate the efforts of those who do.

That aside, as a shameless plug if anybody happens to be interested in visiting my house then it is Plot 3, 24 Ward, The Lavender Beds (Large) on Cerberus.

[Renathras]

The LB survey isn't even once daily - it's unique character logins at least once in the survey period (usually spanning 2-4 months) subject to its specified requirements. That's it. It's quite a generous way of gauging the number of players.

Also tends to include things (the Job counts) about players who logged out with a current tier Extreme's weapon. Which means they played more than just a quick log in and out again.

LOL this is the guy that said BLM can't slidecast, talking about misinformation

Gaius, I'm still not going to date you. No amount of you talking dirty to me - when you lie about people, it's dirty talk in your mind, I guess? - is going to make me love you. I don't love liars. If you want me to love you as much as you obsess over me, you're going to have to stop lying all the time.

...

TOO.
LATE.

I'm not reading any of that. I gave you a chance for a good faith discussion. Several, in fact. You didn't want one. Why should I give you one now? You can't even make that post without more insults.

The thing with your example, even if we assume the 20% is accurate, is that not everyone who comes to the game is concerned about housing.

This.

A lot of people have an unfortunate habit of assuming because they want something, so does everyone else.

Also, a lot of people could have gotten houses that didn't want THAT one. When the bidding started, there were many Smalls that had 0-3 bids since everyone was rushing the Mediums and Larges. Only when they didn't win those did they consider the Smalls, and most of those had been sold, so then people complained. When they could have bid on the smaller houses before.

Honestly, they just need to remove the need for having a House from things. I honestly have no idea why they won't let people without Houses grow crops or do submarine/airship missions. There's no reason for it other than they want things to be super scarce. But the Housing community is also...uh...it. People complaining from dozens of different angles, for dozens of different things, proposing things that alienate others in the community (many propose making all housing instanced in a "If I can't have one, no one can!" approach, which alienates the ones that DO like having a house in a public neighborhood with neighbors and such), meanwhile, tons of players genuinely couldn't care less.

Quite a lot of fantasy RPG's do have some form of player housing, though, to be fair.

That's true, but not all do, many don't in all ways, either. That is, what's "housing" is different in a lot of cases.

WoW had Garrisons. Are Garrisons REALLY "housing"? You don't get to pick the location, you can pick the buildings, but you couldn't pick the style or any details about them. Just the same generic building that had a few levels. Haven't played since Legion, but as far as I've heard, it still doesn't have Housing, and FFXIV's Apartment system (something pretty much everyone can get) is more customizable than that. Island Sanctuary alone is already about as customizable as Garrisons were. And WoW was/may still be the most played MMO of all time and with current player numbers.

Witcher 3 isn't an MMO. ESO's housing is (imo) limited since it's instanced only and I didn't feel like I could do as much with it, and honestly, couldn't bring myself to care because of how limiting it felt at the time. LotRO's, too. Skyrim's is also like that, where you have "slots" to put things, you can't just throw things wherever you want.

Agree that there are people wanting it, but it's probably not a majority of the playerbase, and there's a lot of caveats to that, like people who want a public space house (who dislike instanced housing like ESO's) and so on.

[Iscah]

Quite a lot of fantasy RPG's do have some form of player housing, though, to be fair. It's pretty much become a staple for me.

Depends which RPGs you've played, then. I'm trying to think of examples and coming up blank besides "secret bases in Pokémon Ruby/Sapphire".

Perhaps it's a matter of single player versus multiplayer – Pokémon being somewhere in the middle with the multiplayer connection aspect being conducted outside of the game itself, but you could import friends' secret bases.

[Amh_Wilzuun]

They seem less receptive to feedback compared to previous expansions. Maybe it’s hubris after years of success now? Hopefully they don’t forget why they had that success in the first place. I don’t think 7.0 will be another 6.0, but man it would be bad if it was

[Kaliesto]

They seem less receptive to feedback compared to previous expansions. Maybe it’s hubris after years of success now? Hopefully they don’t forget why they had that success in the first place. I don’t think 7.0 will be another 6.0, but man it would be bad if it was

Feels like hubris.

The fact CBU3 repeated the same problems in the new patch goes to show what they really think about the playerbase.

[LinaAkayomi]

Curious to know regarding the dissapointment in the relic grinds AND the Mt.Rokkon Savage rewards being absolute donkey.

How many of you are finally giving up this game and quitting and leaving forever? I'm DYING to know your thoughts.

I'll bite the obvious bait.
I don't think I'm quitting anytime soon. While the current patch contents may be a bit underwhelming, I'm still having fun finishing up the leveling grind, enjoying BLU a whole ton, and aside from that, enjoying just general player interaction.
Some days the game gets slower than usual. Those days, I simply do dailies and go play other games. FFXIV is not meant or designed to be the ONLY game you play ALL THE TIME. And thank god for that.

[Koros]

I'll bite the obvious bait.
I don't think I'm quitting anytime soon. While the current patch contents may be a bit underwhelming, I'm still having fun finishing up the leveling grind, enjoying BLU a whole ton, and aside from that, enjoying just general player interaction.
Some days the game gets slower than usual. Those days, I simply do dailies and go play other games. FFXIV is not meant or designed to be the ONLY game you play ALL THE TIME. And thank god for that.

[AwesomeJr44]

They seem less receptive to feedback compared to previous expansions. Maybe it’s hubris after years of success now? Hopefully they don’t forget why they had that success in the first place. I don’t think 7.0 will be another 6.0, but man it would be bad if it was

It might be hubris or at least complacency. Hopefully the WoW exodus didn't go to their heads, especially seeing as they botched that up and couldn't keep a lot of the people from exodus around for long.

[Myrany]

It might be hubris or at least complacency. Hopefully the WoW exodus didn't go to their heads, especially seeing as they botched that up and couldn't keep a lot of the people from exodus around for long.

I suspect that many of the ones that came in the most recent WoW exodus (it was not the first and won't be the last) didn't stay because they didn't really come to play FFXIV. They came to be part of the band wagon following their favorite streamer. When that streamer bailed and went back to WoW (a likely thing to happen since the streamers career was made on WoW) the followers bailed as well.

Even so there is always the potential for a few of the escapees to decide to stay and some did.

I am the product of 2 different WoW escapee waves (neither because of a streamer in my case). The first was right after the release of ARR when I was fed up with things in WoW and searching for another game. I created a trial account and character and got massively confused by the game within the first 2 days. I had no one to help and the one person I found to "help" dropped me in a zone way to high for my level 3 self and vanished. I had no idea how to get back to where I needed to be so I just logged out and gave up on the game.

My second try happened when I was well and truly done with WoW mid BFA. I remembered I had that old trial somewhere for FFXIV and decided to give the game another try. I managed to revive the trial (Surprisingly it revived as a trial). I couldn't remember what server I had been on so I made a new character (the one I am posting on) and started over again. Something just clicked this time. I fell in love with the game and haven't looked back since. I have since gone back to my original character as a main and rarely play Myrany anymore.

For those interested my initial problem with the game as it turns out was a lack of knowledge of the transportation systems and how the map works. Not only could I not find where I needed to go I couldn't figure out how to get there.

Some refugees do stay and do integrate into the community just fine. Not all will stay. Some like me will eventually come back and try again.

[DPZ2]

That's odd. Since when is it illegal to not allow modding?

For emphasis, since you apparently missed the focus of the post to which I was responding: "I think it'd be quite the interesting experiment for Square Enix to ban mods altogether as of 7.0 and prevent them from being launched."

Edit: if you still don't get it ... gshade, anyone?