Time to Quit

[Renathras]

The LB survey isn't even once daily - it's unique character logins at least once in the survey period (usually spanning 2-4 months) subject to its specified requirements. That's it. It's quite a generous way of gauging the number of players.

Also tends to include things (the Job counts) about players who logged out with a current tier Extreme's weapon. Which means they played more than just a quick log in and out again.

LOL this is the guy that said BLM can't slidecast, talking about misinformation

Gaius, I'm still not going to date you. No amount of you talking dirty to me - when you lie about people, it's dirty talk in your mind, I guess? - is going to make me love you. I don't love liars. If you want me to love you as much as you obsess over me, you're going to have to stop lying all the time.

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TOO.
LATE.

I'm not reading any of that. I gave you a chance for a good faith discussion. Several, in fact. You didn't want one. Why should I give you one now? You can't even make that post without more insults.

The thing with your example, even if we assume the 20% is accurate, is that not everyone who comes to the game is concerned about housing.

This.

A lot of people have an unfortunate habit of assuming because they want something, so does everyone else.

Also, a lot of people could have gotten houses that didn't want THAT one. When the bidding started, there were many Smalls that had 0-3 bids since everyone was rushing the Mediums and Larges. Only when they didn't win those did they consider the Smalls, and most of those had been sold, so then people complained. When they could have bid on the smaller houses before.

Honestly, they just need to remove the need for having a House from things. I honestly have no idea why they won't let people without Houses grow crops or do submarine/airship missions. There's no reason for it other than they want things to be super scarce. But the Housing community is also...uh...it. People complaining from dozens of different angles, for dozens of different things, proposing things that alienate others in the community (many propose making all housing instanced in a "If I can't have one, no one can!" approach, which alienates the ones that DO like having a house in a public neighborhood with neighbors and such), meanwhile, tons of players genuinely couldn't care less.

Quite a lot of fantasy RPG's do have some form of player housing, though, to be fair.

That's true, but not all do, many don't in all ways, either. That is, what's "housing" is different in a lot of cases.

WoW had Garrisons. Are Garrisons REALLY "housing"? You don't get to pick the location, you can pick the buildings, but you couldn't pick the style or any details about them. Just the same generic building that had a few levels. Haven't played since Legion, but as far as I've heard, it still doesn't have Housing, and FFXIV's Apartment system (something pretty much everyone can get) is more customizable than that. Island Sanctuary alone is already about as customizable as Garrisons were. And WoW was/may still be the most played MMO of all time and with current player numbers.

Witcher 3 isn't an MMO. ESO's housing is (imo) limited since it's instanced only and I didn't feel like I could do as much with it, and honestly, couldn't bring myself to care because of how limiting it felt at the time. LotRO's, too. Skyrim's is also like that, where you have "slots" to put things, you can't just throw things wherever you want.

Agree that there are people wanting it, but it's probably not a majority of the playerbase, and there's a lot of caveats to that, like people who want a public space house (who dislike instanced housing like ESO's) and so on.