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1) We have hard data proving this number?

2) So that's between 0.5% and 1% of the playerbase. What about the other 99%?

As you said yourself in the same message: "Going to need some sources for those numbers". My estimate with 7% is rough, but at least it's based on some sources. What kind of source have you found that said that 20K of all time active players makes only 0.5 - 1% ? If you provide source, go ahead, but this claim is insane and implies FFXIV is more popular than any game on Steam or any game for that matter.

*common flu analogy*

I don't doubt "a lot" do. But that's irrelevant. A lot of people die from the common flu each year. In the US alone, generally around 40,000 people. Which sounds terrible. Until you realize the US has a population of around 330,000,000 (330 million) people, and that is around 0.012%, meaning we shouldn't all live in fear of this disease, even though it does kill "a lot" - 40k is "a lot" - of people.

Now suppose someone argued that most people die of the flu every year, and that if all those people were removed from the equation, it would have a huge impact on the nation. Well, then it matters how many that is relative to the whole. That is, what percentage it actually is. If one is to make sweeping statements like that, they have to be able to provide numbers, hard and trustworthy ones, and they have to support their claim of being a significant portion of the playerbase.

Even the 20,000 people - "a lot" indeed - is between half and 1% of the playerbase (assuming 1-2 million, which is a pretty solid ballpark estimate of the size of the playerbase right now). That's pretty insignificant.

Your analogy is hyperbolical and unfitting at best, completely of the perc at the worst. Analogy with 0.012% is okay for you, but we're talking about roughly ~5%, even with your unrealistic 0.5%, that's still very close to covid death rate, which, unless you forgot, was quite a problem few years back. Not like any of this matters, this analogy is bad from the start. Also, give me source of that 1-2 mil, and once you do, I'll respond just like you, and tell you to give me hard data instead.

1) Going to need some sources for those numbers.

3) 7.7% is hardly a majority, and as even you note, rough estimates.

3) 3% is also hardly a majority.

4) Define "significant". I see a lot of rough math without sources, but it still supports the notion that this is a minority of people. Around 5% of voters in 2016 voted for the Libertarian party candidate. Needless to say, 5% is not a majority.

1) Averages of numerous sources which seemed okay. I acknowledged that I'm working with rough estimates numerous times, and that hard data are impossible to come by

2, 3, 4) It's significant portion that only represents the biggest degens, there is also assumption that a lot of midcore degens exist as well. And holy moly why do you need to bring irl politics into stuff. Nobody cares, this is videogame, get a grip.

You can check Mare's website, it takes like 30 steps to make it work. You need to get on their discord, modify your lodestone and so on. This insane process is bound to discourage many players from even starting, yet there are 20K active Mare users at any given time as people in this thread said. That number is rivaling whole FFXIV's playerbase on Steam. If that is not significant to you, I don't know what is.

Anyway, I'd continue this discussion, but I'm the only one so far who has provided sourced data and apples-to-apples analysis, and now you guys are moving the goalposts - it went from:

You haven't provided any and your "analysis" that you provided is just completely off topic comparison of some 0.042% rare disease to 0.5% - 7.7% of users installing an ERP plugin.

You can't go from so many the game relies on them to "meh, 4-10%", without ever providing sources or hard data, and be arguing in good faith.

And you can't go away from posting your source for that 0.5% - 1% claim of yours. Come on, I'll wait, I'm curious where did you get that number. Same goes for that random 1-2 mil you threw in.

I'm going to bow out as I made both points, and even the attempt to counter the second just proved it was, indeed, a pretty small minority and thus likely not leading SE's development efforts or design. Anything else that's a bad faith goalpost move I'm uninterested in entertaining. I made my case, and neither point has been disproven, with even the attempts to disprove the second supporting it by accident.

"My argument is so strong it will not even need further defending, I'm always right waaah" - Ren Shapiro, 2023

massive caffe macchiato L for actually reading ren shapiro's 1 million page essay at all

I'll take an L, if they're not too long like one of his many deranged healer rants, they're somewhat fun to respond to. Until he starts repeating the same things over and over again.