Time to Quit

[Atelier-Bagur]

Well have to agree to disagree there but thats ok.

Being real? 7.0 won't be what these people want. It's way to late on that front imo. I am a firm believer that XIV just isn't the game for alot of these people anymore and they should've moved on a long time ago like some of us have been advocating for them to do. Ofc I hope it does something for em but I'm not gonna bet on it.

Hey I'm actually agreeing with that statement. Its what I responded to in this same thread. FFXIV is heading to a direction that some people are just not wanting to ride anymore.

It's up to time to see if it'll still retain its success or if it turns out a lot of people were on the same boat.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Hey I'm actually agreeing with that statement. Its what I responded to in this same thread. FFXIV is heading to a direction that some people are just not wanting to ride anymore.

It's up to time to see if it'll still retain its success or if it turns out a lot of people were on the same boat.

True. Also will be interesting to see if 7.0 gains as much as it could possibly lose in that scenario. Ik one of the biggest turn offs to people coming to play even to this day is the commitment to get to current expac. 7.0 being a new starting point according to Yoshi could be a genius move in that regard to help ease that barrier of entry.

[Deo14]

Hey I'm actually agreeing with that statement. Its what I responded to in this same thread. FFXIV is heading to a direction that some people are just not wanting to ride anymore.

It's up to time to see if it'll still retain its success or if it turns out a lot of people were on the same boat.

If those people will leave, potential success of this game will lie with the Second Life players and those who sub for few months per expansion to do MSQ. If SE wants their game to go that direction, go for it, but this success will be on the shoulders of all the modders which make this game viable alternative to Second Life. It will be another Skyrim, which is boring and barebones, until community makes it playable with all the mods.

[IkaraGreydancer]

If those people will leave, potential success of this game will lie with the Second Life players and those who sub for few months per expansion to do MSQ. If SE wants their game to go that direction, go for it, but this success will be on the shoulders of all the modders which make this game viable alternative to Second Life. It will be another Skyrim, which is boring and barebones, until community makes it playable with all the mods.

While I agree with some of this, this kind of devalues console players when they're a nice chunk of the playerbase. They mess around and rp n such without mods just fine. For the game to become akin to Skyrim folks would have to not have fun with what the game offers anymore. Skyrim doesn't get updates (to my knowledge). XIV does. Also since when has XIV ever been unplayable and where/how would that ever happen in this game? Just wondering

[Deo14]

While I agree with some of this, this kind of devalues console players when they're a nice chunk of the playerbase. They mess around and rp n such without mods just fine. For the game to become akin to Skyrim folks would have to not have fun with what the game offers anymore. Skyrim doesn't get updates (to my knowledge). XIV does. Also since when has XIV ever been unplayable and where/how would that ever happen in this game? Just wondering

They clearly don't value midcore players, or people that do want to play an actual MMORPG. What makes you think console players are any different? And I don't mean that game right now is unplayable, but if the game goes in this direction and 7.0 will have new start, with current cadence of content? Then yes, there will be not many things to do, especially for midcore players, so community will be divided even more into Limsa Dwellers and raiders, without anything in between.

I think Asmongold said it best. If everyone or if 90% of the playerbase actually just quit right now, SE would immediately do a 180 with FFXIV in a heartbeat.

I see that him saying the most bland, obvious thing anyone with common sense could come up with, but ending up treated as some prophet, is still his thing. Unless he starts to speak about real life things of course, then it goes full 180.

[IkaraGreydancer]

They clearly don't value midcore players, or people that do want to play an actual MMORPG. What makes you think console players are any different? And I don't mean that game right now is unplayable, but if the game goes in this direction and 7.0 will have new start, with current cadence of content? Then yes, there will be not many things to do, especially for midcore players, so community will be divided even more into Limsa Dwellers and raiders, without anything in between.



I see that him saying the most bland, obvious thing anyone with common sense could come up with, but ending up treated as some prophet, is still his thing. Unless he starts to speak about real life things of course, then it goes full 180.

I consider myself midcore and things are fine to me. Ofc that's opinions. Much of what you expressed doesn't apply to everyone. And my point still stands. Console take part of these spaces just fine. If you have literally nothing to do that is in fact partially the players problem. It's never a question there being something to do, it's willingness or want to do said things. No real right or wrong there.
I don't Limsa dwell nor do I raid. I run things that I find fun.

[Deo14]

I consider myself midcore and things are fine to me. Ofc that's opinions. Much of what you expressed doesn't apply to everyone. And my point still stands. Console take part of these spaces just fine. If you have literally nothing to do that is in fact partially the players problem. It's never a question there being something to do, it's willingness or want to do said things. No real right or wrong there.
I don't Limsa dwell nor do I raid. I run things that I find fun.

No need to go into hyperboles, I'm sure some people who consider themselves midcore are having fun, but if you look around in forums and reddits, you cannot deny content could be designed better for us.

Variant is hyper casual, while criterion has 2 savage difficulties. What's the deal with this, why is there always insane gap between easy and hard content? Relic "grind" is not a grind, it's by-product of you running your daily roulettes. A participation trophy, if you will. Not a fan of BLU, but from what I've heard, update isn't really breathtaking, but I might give it a shot. IS is just badly designed, I like farming and similar, but it just missed the mark completely, I just go there once a two weeks, if I don't forget about it completely. It's neither relaxing or interesting, it's just clicking on nodes, copy pasting spreadsheets from discord and that's about it. Tried to get into EO, but it's full of gotcha mechanics. Not a fan of losing hours of progress, just because I didn't had guide on a second screen. I find crafting fun, but there's not much to craft after first week of raid tier. I'll make next step of crafter relics and won't use them for much, that's about it.

Problem is that I want to play the game, but there's simply not much to do. In GW2, I always had plenty of stuff to do, I was naturally burning out while playing it. After 3-6 months, I started to enjoy it less and less, and eventually swapped to other games, and that's completely fine, after few months, I returned with full energy, and none of my progress was lost, since the game is horizontal. In FFXIV, I feel like I'm being forced to stop playing, since there just isn't anything meaningful to do. I would get it if each major and .x5 patch a gave us at least 1 month of meaningful gameplay, but it's really 1 or 2 weeks tops.

Skyrim mods are infinitely more sophisticated than FF14 mods though. FF14 mods are mostly just glams and UI. Skyrim mods change the entire gameplay:

Don't worry, I'm fully aware of that, I have 252 GB Skyrim installation on my PC right now, and that's after I deleted downloaded archives to save some space. Both games focus on different stuff, there's more choice in clothing (or lack of clothing) and similar in FFXIV, while Skyrim has more gameplay-altering stuff. FFXIV is very limited in that sense, but because of this limitation, it's really surprising how popular FFXIV is for modding.

[Koros]

No need to go into hyperboles, I'm sure some people who consider themselves midcore are having fun, but if you look around in forums and reddits, you cannot deny content could be designed better for us.

Variant is hyper casual, while criterion has 2 savage difficulties. What's the deal with this, why is there always insane gap between easy and hard content? Relic "grind" is not a grind, it's by-product of you running your daily roulettes. A participation trophy, if you will. Not a fan of BLU, but from what I've heard, update isn't really breathtaking, but I might give it a shot. IS is just badly designed, I like farming and similar, but it just missed the mark completely, I just go there once a two weeks, if I don't forget about it completely. It's neither relaxing or interesting, it's just clicking on nodes, copy pasting spreadsheets from discord and that's about it. Tried to get into EO, but it's full of gotcha mechanics. Not a fan of losing hours of progress, just because I didn't had guide on a second screen. I find crafting fun, but there's not much to craft after first week of raid tier. I'll make next step of crafter relics and won't use them for much, that's about it.

Problem is that I want to play the game, but there's simply not much to do. In GW2, I always had plenty of stuff to do, I was naturally burning out while playing it. After 3-6 months, I started to enjoy it less and less, and eventually swapped to other games, and that's completely fine, after few months, I returned with full energy, and none of my progress was lost, since the game is horizontal. In FFXIV, I feel like I'm being forced to stop playing, since there just isn't anything meaningful to do. I would get it if each major and .x5 patch a gave us at least 1 month of meaningful gameplay, but it's really 1 or 2 weeks tops.





Don't worry, I'm fully aware of that, I have 252 GB Skyrim installation on my PC right now, and that's after I deleted downloaded archives to save some space. Both games focus on different stuff, there's more choice in clothing (or lack of clothing) and similar in FFXIV, while Skyrim has more gameplay-altering stuff. FFXIV is very limited in that sense, but because of this limitation, it's really surprising how popular FFXIV is for modding.

FF14 just has better clothing really, even for ERP, the body textures and [redacted] 18+ animations are better in Skyrim, all those [redacted] "movies" are made in Skyrim, some FF14 modders even stole assets from Skyrim modders, it's pathetic

[Koros]

If those people will leave, potential success of this game will lie with the Second Life players and those who sub for few months per expansion to do MSQ. If SE wants their game to go that direction, go for it, but this success will be on the shoulders of all the modders which make this game viable alternative to Second Life. It will be another Skyrim, which is boring and barebones, until community makes it playable with all the mods.

Skyrim mods are infinitely more sophisticated than FF14 mods though. FF14 mods are mostly just glams and UI. Skyrim mods change the entire gameplay:

https://youtu.be/pPHTJo-d2YY?t=188

FF14 will never reach Skyrim levels because whatever modders do they can't change how horrible and braindead job design is (except maybe MNK and BLM), how one-note and stale modern raid design is, and how unincentivized gameplay content is like Criterion. Skyrim mods can actually improve the gameplay. FF14 can't.

Sad to say but modded Skyrim is unironically more fun than FF14 in 2023 rofl


Let's be real we are all only here to ERP and stay connected to static friends from 2 expansions ago.