Time to Quit

[Renathras]

Also there is a clear difference between somebody enjoying the game but still heavily criticize it and negative andies who express their distaste over the game and do nothing but doomsaying and finding an ultimatum but never following through it.

Right, but posting MULTIPLE "Time to Quit" threads is more negative andy than constructive criticism - something I explicitly pointed out on my post.

Why? Why someone has to hate the game if they have a bad opinion about it.

When making multiple posts about quitting, trying to encourage other people to quit, trying to get people to play other games, etc, it's pretty clear one does NOT, in fact, like the game.

Though I'm a bit confused about this:

I’m tired of seeing the game dumbed down.

There are only three specific things that can be outright described as "dumbed down" from ShB to EW - SMN, PLD, and the Relic grind (which is less "dumbed down" and more "made easier", but I'm sure that'd be included)

ShB was the start of the EW trend. If you started in 5.2, that is. EW largely just took ShB and ran with it, in a few cases doubling down but in most cases just continuing the same thing.
I’m tired of having new contents not worth to play more than once with barely a gameplay into it and rewards.

I think we CAN change the game.

That's fair, but if you want that, posting "Time to Quit" threads isn't going to do it. Playing up other games (including some laughably bad ones) as better, trying to encourage other people who aren't miserable to BE miserable and quit FFXIV, etc: Those things will not see FFXIV improve.

What will are specific, actionable, constructive criticism without namecalling or belittling terms.

"The Devs are stupid" - no change.
"Players are lazy" - no change.
"The game is dumbed down" - no change.
"I feel that the lack of Exploration Zone content this expansion that many enjoyed has led to the content droughts and longer patches to more negatively impact players who used to use that content for socializing, meeting others in the game community, and for something they could continuously work on and progress during content lulls. While Criterion and Deep Dungeons are noble attempts, they seem not to meet those needs of the community. Would you please seriously consider including Exploration Zone content like Eureka and Bozja in the next expansion, ideally starting in the 7.1 patch cycle?" - might lead to change

Note that this last one is different. It doesn't insult or belittle either the Devs or other players, it doesn't come across as annoyed, hateful, or antagonistic, it lays out the case for why the person thinks a thing, and their proposed solution for it.

If you want change, that is what you need.

"But we've done that so much we're tired of it!" - If you've done it so much, you must have a backlog of posts you can copy and paste if you feel like engaging with the topic, so it's no more effort for you. That's even LESS work than making dozens of angry posts that say nothing useful would be.

No amount of blind anger or doomposting will lead to change. Serious, sober discussion will, if anything.

And that's not "bait". "bait" is when someone posts doomsaying and the like INSTEAD OF a reasoned discussion. Indeed, "bait" is more likely to harm your effort than help it.

SE is loosing buyers all over their games, I wonder why (ironic)

Except they aren't when it comes to FFXIV. It's more popular than ever by every metric we have to measure players, and probably will get another boost in 7.0.

...and that's the problem that keeps happening over and over on this forum, you literally cant complain about anything without being told to quit, it's literally the most toxic thing there is, and then yall wonder why you get trolls all over the place ? You reap what you sow lol

That's a total lie!

I complain about things here all the time. I don't think I've ever been told to quit over it by anyone here.

The difference is my complaints are actionable. I explain my reasoning and what I think solutions would be. People here hate my long posts and many don't like arguing with me (especially the ones I'm generally on the opposite side of arguments with), but no one has ever told me to quit over my complaints. People often at least passingly agree with my criticisms, at least in part if not in whole.

While it's true there are some people who would probably like me to quit over some of my views or how I express them, no one's ever told me to quit based on my complaints. Hell, I complain about Exploration Zones and encounter design ALL THE TIME. I just don't start troll/bait posts about it in General every few days, and my complaints are explained, reasoned out, solutions presented, and aren't filled with vitriol and belittling and namecalling (usually; sometimes that last one sneaks in. )

[TheRealMadruck]

That's a total lie!

I complain about things here all the time. I don't think I've ever been told to quit over it by anyone here.

The difference is my complaints are actionable. I explain my reasoning and what I think solutions would be. People here hate my long posts and many don't like arguing with me (especially the ones I'm generally on the opposite side of arguments with), but no one has ever told me to quit over my complaints. People often at least passingly agree with my criticisms, at least in part if not in whole.

While it's true there are some people who would probably like me to quit over some of my views or how I express them, no one's ever told me to quit based on my complaints. Hell, I complain about Exploration Zones and encounter design ALL THE TIME. I just don't start troll/bait posts about it in General every few days, and my complaints are explained, reasoned out, solutions presented, and aren't filled with vitriol and belittling and namecalling (usually; sometimes that last one sneaks in. )

Interesting. Just because you anedoctally have never been told "if you don't like it, just leave" or to quit does not mean others have not had that experience over the years. When I advocated for SE to do something about addons, people told me to quit. When I posted about a FF14 content creator using a bot, I was told to quit. When I remarked how Endwalkers early access was worst than another MMO I recently played, again...others told me to quit. This has been a constant cycle for myself for over 10 years since Beta from any FF14 hardcore stan that can't see this game take criticism. All my critiques were fair and valid or as you call "actionable". So next time, try not pretending you have powers of clairvoyance to know if and when someone is lying!

[Renathras]

Interesting. Just because you anedoctally have never been told...

I'm not the only one.

The person - the SPECIFIC person - I was responding to has a history of being a doomsayer here. If you're constantly doomsaying, after a while, people are going to question your motives and/or enjoyment of the game. That's when the "just quit" comes it. Doubly so when people are posting threads SAYING THAT THEY ARE QUITTING, or alternatively, saying it's time to quit and encouraging others to quit as well.

Moreover, the poster was making absolute statements of it happening "over and over again" and "you literally cant complain about anything without being told to quit".

You literally CAN complain about things without being told to quit. That makes the poster wrong.

You can argue that people like you (I don't know your post history, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt) make reasoned arguments are are told to quit;, but saying you "literally cant complain about anything" else you'll be told to quit is an absolute lie when people are literally complaining about something(s) (something being part of anything) and NOT being told to quit.

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EDIT: I also should note your last sentence - particularly how you worded it - does not speak to reason or benefit of the doubt. So maybe I give you too much credit and you are one of those people that WEREN'T reasoned in your argument. I don't think I've ever replied to you before nor you to me, and I don't recognize your name, yet you spout off with "don't pretend to be clairvoyant" at me in what, as far as I can tell, is our very first interaction.

Unless you're an alt of the other poster?

That makes me think you're prone to emotional outbursts and less-than-reasonable posts, which could be what led to your being told to quit. Just throwing that out there, Mr. Clairvoyant. Maybe don't insult people (that being one of the things I said not to do if you want to be listened to) and don't come out so hot and heavy for no reason (my post did NOT deserve that kind of attack). I DO have a history with Storm. You and I do not.

Looking at samples of your post, I don't THINK that's true...but then I see that post with that last sentence...