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    Quote Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato View Post
    Wow, Square Enix is a lot stupider than I thought. Did they really go through all the work of porting this game to PC and putting it on Steam only for 20,000 concurrent players to make up 0.5 to 1% of the playerbase?

    Also, that means that there are two million (2,000,000) people playing FFXIV at any given time. That's more than Fortnite. You understand that FFXIV is by far the most popular online game of all time, right?

    So where's our content?
    massive caffe macchiato L for actually reading ben shapiro's 1 million page essay at all
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    My concern with Island Sanctuary is that its very bare bones in general but has a lot of potential to be something that persists through expansions and gains additional features over time.
    It's unfair for me to bring this up due to the age of the game but I wanna offer a little progress update on PSO2:NGS. People overlook it too much.

    The June update gave everyone an instanced island (free to play) and two more islands if you pay. You can float objects without glitches, even building way up into the sky. You can add warp points, puzzles, traps, updrafts, springs. You can resize objects. You can make custom objects out basic shapes. Some dude made a working calculator out of play part triggers. I've seen people make cathedrals, sports arenas, dragons, an IKEA store, a Pikachu shrine, etc. You're encouraged to visit other people's islands to collect a type of currency on a daily reset.

    I was hoping the creative possibilities of that new content would go viral but it's still flying under the radar and ignored by big gaming sites entirely. The Phantasy Star brand is too small outside of Japan. Some other features of the game include being able to listen to your music discs and playlists in any location, accessing all types of storage in any location, being able to change motion graphics like your run and jump animations, new game updates every week (even if it's just some basic tasks, it's better than nothing.)

    The downsides of the game are shitty story, lack of compelling endgame fights, lots of copy-paste environments due to lack of workforce for new assets. I'm happy with the game for something with a minimum cost of nothing. Both the game itself and game time are free. It's on PS4, Xbox, Steam, Epic and Microsoft stores. If people remember it exists, we've got a trinity of JP MMOs to play between Square's FF XIV, Sega's PSO2 and Namco's Blue Protocol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rufalus View Post
    The downsides of the game are shitty story, lack of compelling endgame fights, lots of copy-paste environments due to lack of workforce for new assets. I'm happy with the game for something with a minimum cost of nothing. Both the game itself and game time are free. It's on PS4, Xbox, Steam, Epic and Microsoft stores. If people remember it exists, we've got a trinity of JP MMOs to play between Square's FF XIV, Sega's PSO2 and Namco's Blue Protocol.
    I'm hoping Namco steadily improves on BP and polishes it, as I really like some aspects of what I've seen from it. Still not thrilled about AGS being involved in its western release, I have to say, and the company they picked for Hong Kong release (which some were hoping would be an alternative) isn't great, either.
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    Last edited by Lauront; 07-22-2023 at 12:46 AM.
    When the game's story becomes self-aware:


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    i seriously need bozja or eureka kind of grinding to keep on my love with the game. otherwise the game feels dead to me
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    7.0 will make or break my interest in the game.
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    Feeling the same way TBO. I actually haven't even made it through half the EW story for the 1st time too, so probably not for the reasons most people here express.

    My big problem with this game is the housing system. SE is making BILLIONS of dollars across dozens of games. They sign these BS anti-consumer exclusivity deals excluding PC gamers from enjoying the new single player FF game that took tons away from the development of this product we pay for, just to grab at MORE money...

    Yet they can't invest some MINIMAL dollars in some extra server space for instanced housing, and some sort of basic UI front-end for making friends lists of people's houses in your district you would like to appear in each of the plots in your instance?

    Excluding 90% of your paying customers from a key feature of the game because you are too miserly to invest money in servers? Setting up this horrible lottery system (a less foul smelling turd is still a turd) which is just a once-per-week punch in the guts for the vast majority of you players who don't buy gold from farmers and spend hundreds of millions on FC flipping services to cheese the lottery to even have a fair chance at getting a house?

    This is an absolutely disgraceful system and the fact they feel everything is perfectly fine has really destroyed my faith in the "we care so much *tear, sniff* public image of this company, I am seriously at the point where it is just time to consciously and emotionally uncouple.

    I might stick around for 7.0... but I'm just... not sure at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlienDiplomat View Post
    Feeling the same way TBO. I actually haven't even made it through half the EW story for the 1st time too, so probably not for the reasons most people here express.

    My big problem with this game is the housing system. SE is making BILLIONS of dollars across dozens of games. They sign these BS anti-consumer exclusivity deals excluding PC gamers from enjoying the new single player FF game that took tons away from the development of this product we pay for, just to grab at MORE money...

    Yet they can't invest some MINIMAL dollars in some extra server space for instanced housing, and some sort of basic UI front-end for making friends lists of people's houses in your district you would like to appear in each of the plots in your instance?

    Excluding 90% of your paying customers from a key feature of the game because you are too miserly to invest money in servers? Setting up this horrible lottery system (a less foul smelling turd is still a turd) which is just a once-per-week punch in the guts for the vast majority of you players who don't buy gold from farmers and spend hundreds of millions on FC flipping services to cheese the lottery to even have a fair chance at getting a house?

    This is an absolutely disgraceful system and the fact they feel everything is perfectly fine has really destroyed my faith in the "we care so much *tear, sniff* public image of this company, I am seriously at the point where it is just time to consciously and emotionally uncouple.

    I might stick around for 7.0... but I'm just... not sure at this point.
    I feel the same and they got feedback about the previous criterion dungeon and yet again Yoshi changed nothing for the new criterion. I can't understand why people still believe in this guy when he and his team been dropping the ball the last couple expansions
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velvet_Lunarfang View Post
    I can't understand why people still believe in this guy when he and his team been dropping the ball the last couple expansions
    I mean, it's not really like that for me. I still have a lot of respect for the team, YoshiP, Soken, all the creative people who contribute. It is still a really great game and I know they all have had a lot of passion for it over the years. I still feel you get way more content and attention to detail in this MMO than pretty much any other on the market. Certainly a lot more than WoW, "time gate everything to milk subs for minimal content while blaming the customer for complaining about the same team lead basically abandoning all aspects of the game other than spreadsheet simulating min-max raiding."

    The thing is, housing is a core component of the game to my way of thinking. You can have the coolest game in the world, but if you neglect an essential core component so that maybe 20% of the population or less even get to participate and just leave it that way for years on end with no word, no communication... I mean think of it like a world class chef making the ultimate wedding cake, with absolute attention to detail given to every aspect, every layer... but then making every layer except the top maybe 10-15% or so out of cardboard underneath the pretty icing.

    As nice as the whole thing looks, that is still going to leave 80+% of the guests with a pretty bad taste in their mouth.
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    Kinda in the same group of 7.0 making or breaking my interest in the game.
    Will tune in Friday and hope to see something interesting.
    But if it ends up like the EW keynote where it felt like: Here's the setting, lets go over all the stuff that's identical with all other expansions but with a new flavor such as dungeons, here's a single slide on something called Island Sanctuary but we're not gonna talk about this for another year, we're doing something new with PVP but won't talk about that until just before 6.1, now lets talk 30 minutes about server travel ingame.

    Basicly they need to show what's new in the expansion, not just the new coat of paint.
    I want an experience like going from Chain of Promethia to Treasures of Aht Urhgan in FFXI, where we got a wealth of new content types (mainly Assault and Beseiged).
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    Each new idea has been locked in a separate piece of side content that's only relevant during the expansion in which it debuted. All of those ideas could have been infused into the main content and core systems.

    By now the normal dungeons could have been doing multi path selection (variant), RNG enemy spawns and traps (deep dungeon), rare loot to appraise (deep/fieldops), duty actions such as levitate (deltascape) and even mounted sections like praetorium used to have, all of those things in the core content that's supported by roulettes and thus never lacks participation.

    Using those examples, our daily expert roulette could be more than just a trash pipe speedrun. There can be roaming mobs and randomized mobs that make each run different. There can be rare tradeable loot that's worth selling. There can be duty actions specific to each dungeon to do things like break through ice walls, levitate over lava/poison, reflect certain boss attacks back.
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