Thread: What are you looking forward to most in 6.45?

Originally Posted by Heroman3003

>Eureka
>Depth

What depth lmao, you just kill NMs nonstop, the Eureka grind is 20 times more mindless and numbing than any amount of roulettes. And, for both Eureka and Bozja, I sure hope there isn't ever again another step that requires you to participate in giant raid content that will be dead next expansion (looking at you, BA and DR). I'd take the boredom that is grinding currency in roulettes over misery that is exploration zone raids.

Now, I do hope there will be more involved steps, but knowing what 'more involved' meant with previous relics, I won't be too upset if its another 1500 tome shill either.

I mean, you have to go thru the entire Manderville Questline to even unlock the Relic and if you weren't really a fan of the questline, that's as much a kick in the nads as BA or DR ever were.

Originally Posted by Ranaku

Working with the lost actions was always fun, people had to at least in the first days actually figure out how it works and what spawns bosses and people had to actually team up. Also dunno if you remember but we got BA too and people still run it frequently.

People like you are the reason we have the bland tomestone grind now.

It would have been fine to have content like BA and DR required for relic grind if it wasn't dead the moment expansion was over. It's impossible to find double-digit DR run in DF, and from what my friends that got to level 60 in eureka told me, its even worse with finding people willing AND knowledgable enough to run BA, so I am so not looking to that. Also, having done Eureka zones 1 and 2, all of Bozja (though not all relic grind yet), I will say, Lost action do absolute jack shit to make content any more interesting, they just make failure more likely. Oh, the damage sponges are even spongier and two-hit-ko is one-hit-ko if you dont use right actions, how exciting.

Again, I do want better steps than just 'grind tomes'. What I do not want is 'better' steps that are tied into content thats both impossible to solo and is guaranteed to be dead the moment 7.0 drops. Thankfully, this expansion doesn't really have such content. Which, I am not against generally existing, but tying it into relic grind is just an awful decision imo.

I enjoyed Eureka and Bozja. Neither bit of content was perfect but...surely such content could just be designed with future proofing in mind instead of scrapping it altogether.

Originally Posted by Theodric

I enjoyed Eureka and Bozja. Neither bit of content was perfect but...surely such content could just be designed with future proofing in mind instead of scrapping it altogether.

Bozja was future-proofed pretty well with alternative sources that aren't Bozja. EXCEPT aparently that one DR step because it was tied behind RNG-based grind that rivals pre-nerf ARR relics, which just makes both options terrible in retrospect. That's the issue, there IS future-proofing, but for some reason, for one single step that needed it more than any other, it was just done terribly. And Eureka is still purely just 'grind NMs until you start hearing Eureka overworld music whenever you close your eyes' when it comes to relics. Exploratory zones are good idea as a whole, and Bozja was a step in right direction with making it more solo-friendly in terms of relic grind aspect and, as result, future-proofed, without invalidating the zone itself entirely, as its useful still for both leveling other jobs and equally good as other sources of grind steps. I hope that 7.0 will iterate further on actually making exploration zone fun kind of fun, and not 'just extremely grindy and unnecesarily punishing and leaving people who play in bad timezones next expansion and want to go back to do this dead in the water' kind of fun.

Easily BLU. I think the BLU level cap and new spells is what I'm most excited about.

After that probably the relic, though I'm more meh on that than I would be with an Exploration Zone. New model and aura effects are cool, and I like the Hilde story enough I want to see the next part, but I'm not as excited as I would be, say, if we were talking about Pyros dropping.

After that, probably Criterion...but meh. I didn't do the last one at either the medium or hard difficulties, just the solo mode since I wanted to see all the paths and the story. But that's because I cared about Sil'Dah'/Ul'Dah's combined lore. I don't even think I've heard the name of this mountain before, so I don't actually care about it at all at the present time, and so I have no interest in the story going in, even if they give me some reason to care (maybe it hides a secret Allegan outpost with major lore implications...but probably not; it's not MSQ, after all.)

Don't tend to care about the Crafting/Gathering relics. I like some grind in my relics, but those are just MINDnumbing. I still haven't finished the Ishgard ones (though I've come close with one...like 2-4 years later...)