This game...

[Bobby66]

Did you miss the part where OP LITERALLY LEFT AREAS and the person followed them?

If they were black listed the person in question would not be able to say anything to them. So it boils down looking/ following should be a punishable offense?

Like that cannot be abused. Since what else could be done to prevent such behavior.

Edit: if a person spams emotes and other things report but even then I don't a GM would have the authority to do much. Since that is also getting into murky waters that can easily be abused by other players.

[LianaThorne]

Except you keep claiming I am okay with stalking - which is false.
I simply said, this interaction was not - and is overreaction.

It's one thing you end an argument because you have no more points and it is another when you putting things in people's mouths. I never said I am okay with stalking.
It's awful - but again - hate to be this guy - the interaction here was an overreaction calling it as serious as stalking.
How many times do I have to repeat myself?

If you aren't okay with it then stop defending someone who was showing signs of it. I don't know many people who wander up to someone, say they're having a mental health related issue and then ask to sit and watch them because they're pretty.

That is really creepy to me and gives off a lot of red flags. I wouldn't want someone I don't know just sitting and staring at me from a corner and following me around to perv on my character. Let's be real now, in my three years of being on FF I've had people compliment my character but it ends there. Asking to follow and watch them is taking it to another point entirely and honestly makes me think they had ulterior motives and might have been playing the game with one hand...if you get my drift.

[Bobby66]

If you aren't okay with it then stop defending someone who was showing signs of it. I don't know many people who wander up to someone, say they're having a mental health related issue and then ask to sit and watch them because they're pretty.

That is really creepy to me and gives off a lot of red flags. I wouldn't want someone I don't know just sitting and staring at me from a corner and following me around to perv on my character.

So what exactly is your solution? What solution can we come up with that does not require redoing how BL works which is something they have states not wanting to do. Or cannot be easily abused such as making following / staring punishable offense.

[LianaThorne]

So what exactly is your solution? What solution can we come up with that does not require redoing how BL works which is something they have states not wanting to do. Or cannot be easily abused such as making following / staring punishable offense.

They said they wouldn't change how housing works and now we have Island Sanctuary and the lottery. If they can change one thing they said they wouldn't they can change this too.

I already said what my solution would be: make it an actual blacklist. If you blacklist someone, they can't search for you or message you. They can't see your lodestone profile. It would at least help more than the broken system we have now that protects the harassers more than the victims.

[Stormpeaks]

So what exactly is your solution? What solution can we come up with that does not require redoing how BL works which is something they have states not wanting to do. Or cannot be easily abused such as making following / staring punishable offense.

Improve the blacklist system and make them disappear from the screen, and make GM's actually act appropriately instead giving free reign to stalkers (thanks to the friendlist system for that too, you cant even flee to another DC, you are still in their friend list, no matter if you even rename, you stay there).

This game literally encourages stalking, lodestone link doesnt change, you stay in people's friendlist, you can rename, world change, dc change, it stays there.

[IkaraGreydancer]

If they were black listed the person in question would not be able to say anything to them. So it boils down looking/ following should be a punishable offense?

Like that cannot be abused. Since what else could be done to prevent such behavior.

Edit: if a person spams emotes and other things report but even then I don't a GM would have the authority to do much. Since that is also getting into murky waters that can easily be abused by other players.

Following irl can be reported to the police. Stalking is stalking. Only real difference here is you can log off the game, but a person shouldnt have to do that hence why they report. The "it can be abused" defense doesn't work here really. There aren't a ton of folks reporting for stalking in this game. And to advocate for less folks to do so when they are being stalked makes no sense. You'd need to actually be doing something shady to even be considered a possible stalker by someone. Stuff like what OP posted is a clear example.

I don't often agree with Stormy but I'd 100% support some blacklist changes to curve many of these issues.

[Bobby66]

They said they wouldn't change how housing works and now we have Island Sanctuary and the lottery. If they can change one thing, they can change this too.

First not sure what element of Island Sanctuary solves any housing issues. Isn't that one of the sore spots with IS? That it is not instance housing?

Lottery is also seen as a bandaid fix to the housing situation and a low effort one at that.

So your point is they should put in a low effort fix that really only pleases one subset of the community and is generally seen at best a meh idea to a shit situation at worse a complete and total failure.

The things in question that people are against can easily be abused if they became GM actionable. FFXIV GM's seem to operate on a binary did you break the ToS yes the punished. Punishing someone for following and staring is simply too vague and would be heavily abused. At the core this is what happened. BL would have stopped the reply from ever going through.

Following irl can be reported to the police. Stalking is stalking. Only real difference here is you can log off the game, but a person shouldnt have to do that hence why they report. The "it can be abused" defense doesn't work here really. There aren't a ton of folks reporting for stalking in this game. And to advocate for less folks to do so when they are being stalked makes no sense. You'd need to actually be doing something shady to even be considered a possible stalker by someone. Stuff like what OP posted is a clear example.

I don't often agree with Stormy but I'd 100% support some blacklist changes to curve many of these issues.

This is not IRL it is a video game. Come on we are gamers on the internet. First of are you telling me you cannot see someone blowing up and turning someone following them into something bigger then what it is?

I have even seen it IRL on a subway. Women calls out a man cause she felt a man was following her. Mind you this is late at night and everyone is heading to the ferry.

Police had to waste their time questioning this man and women because no matter what was said she felt she was being stalked.

What I am saying if something can be abused it will be end of story. Also.having a BL feature that makes a person disappear from the screen? Would it be disabled for things you can queue for?

[Carin-Eri]

You are literally one of the people that defended the dude saying he was a pedophile on Balmung in the middle of Uldah

Dont waste your time guys, not only this person supports pedophilia but obviously also stalking, feel free to check their responses in the thread about the pedophile.

That thread was deleted

[Bobby66]

Exactly what I said earlier, you condone pedophilia as long as it's done behind closed doors and somehow "no one is getting physically or emotionally abused"

what could go wrong ?

as for my suggestion for BL, they could only appear in duties and PF.

That probably would be extremely annoying to code don't you think? Where the person is not visible outside of certain actions? Does any game have a BL that functions that way?

English is not my native tongue how is saying what two consenting adults do behind closed doors, and if no one is physically or emotionally condoning pedophilia? What else are we to do police what everyone does behind closed doors just to be on the safe side? How many people would really want that?

Leaving that aside it is a sickness, yes a fine line between having the attraction and attacking on it. All I am saying is maybe just maybe if people were more understanding that this was was a sickness that needs treatment for more that suffer with it will come out willfully and seek help before it is too late.

You will still have those that are evil, but I do not believe everyone that suffers from said psycho sexual disorder is evil what i do feel is that they need help and support not scron and disdain.

Also that screen shot from the other thread was most likely some person trolling trying to get a reaction from people.

Not sure how that is defending it, remember their is a difference between having only the attraction and acting on it. Before that line is crossed they are still a human being and should be treated as such. Their should be a focus on getting the person help above all us before they cross that line.

[Leifei]

It definitely makes me uncomfortable but I feel like I'd be wasting my time if I bothered reporting it right now. I had an ex FC member harassing me at one point and nothing was done until it really escalated.

Oof. Yeah, they should really take harassment reports more seriously.