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    Quote Originally Posted by Renalt View Post
    No. Not doing anything means they can do it again and again and again. Sometimes they get bolder and creepier. Nip it in the bud now. Stopping it right now means someone else isn't subjected to this crap later.
    Then report when it's reportable. What are you going to do then? Ask them to leave? Like I said, they have as much right to stand or wander in any open space as much as you. Now if you don't want to be in the same space as them, then leave.

    This is such a petty non-problem and it's giving me the "I-own-this-AFK-spot-in-Limsa-so-noone-else-can-stand-in-my-spot" energy.

    Edit: Put on blacklist - no more messages/emote logs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tsuchii View Post
    Then report when it's reportable. What are you going to do then? Ask them to leave? Like I said, they have as much right to stand or wander in any open space as much as you. Now if you don't want to be in the same space as them, then leave.

    This is such a petty non-problem and it's giving me the "I-own-this-AFK-spot-in-Limsa-so-noone-else-can-stand-in-my-spot" energy.

    Edit: Put on blacklist - no more messages/emote logs.
    Just like in real life people do not like being followed. I guarantee you if someone you didn't like followed you everywhere you were going but never saying anything and just watching you...you would want something done about. Without the context from the OP at all we can tell just from the tell alone they are not only following but they are watching you.

    I'm one that can generally hold my own and even i would be creeped out if someone was just following and watching me. Police would be involved immediately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renalt View Post
    Just like in real life people do not like being followed. I guarantee you if someone you didn't like followed you everywhere you were going but never saying anything and just watching you...you would want something done about. Without the context from the OP at all we can tell just from the tell alone they are not only following but they are watching you.

    I'm one that can generally hold my own and even i would be creeped out if someone was just following and watching me. Police would be involved immediately.
    Again, overreaction. Was the OP harassed? Was the OP's gameplay affected? Was the OP harmed? Was the OP phished for their information? It is nowhere near comparable in real life.

    That DM might be cringe due to some oversharing involved. But they're literally just a player in open space with the OP. They could do that. It is OPEN space. For all. The area designed to have multiple players in it.
    If I "watch", look, or target characters in Limsa, does that make me their stalker? That's a ridiculous mind set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tsuchii View Post
    Calling someone weirdo and a degenerate when someone was just making a point. Now that's harassment. Careful what you accuse people.

    There's a difference between defending and pointing out exaggeration and overreaction.
    If you file a harassment report, literally the system response will tell you to blacklist that person. If that could even count as harassment.
    Yeah because blacklist makes the person magically disappear from your screen right ?

    Oh wait it doesnt
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    Yeah because blacklist makes the person magically disappear from your screen right ?

    Oh wait it doesnt
    The blacklist literally prevents interaction with that person. It does what it intends to do. If you do not want to share a screen with them, leave.
    Do they HAVE to magically disappear from your screen? No. Like I previously said and is ignored, they have as much right to stand or wander in any open area as you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tsuchii View Post
    The blacklist literally prevents interaction with that person. It does what it intends to do. If you do not want to share a screen with them, leave.
    Do they HAVE to magically disappear from your screen? No. Like I previously said and is ignored, they have as much right to stand or wander in any open area as you.
    ok bro

    i aint arguing with someone who thinks stalking is okay

    adios
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    ok bro

    i aint arguing with someone who thinks stalking is okay

    adios
    I NEVER said stalking is OKAY. Stop putting things in my mouth. I simply did not believe this counts as serious as "stalking". Be careful what you accuse people of.

    Ending an argument because you have no more points to counter it. Sure.

    The OP was never in any danger or harassment nor the person had intention to harm or harass (basing on that one DM). It borders discomfort depending on who receives that DM but that is not stalking. It is weird but that is not stalking.
    Repeating my first post, I HATE to be that guy - but labeling that interaction as stalking is overreaction.

    The other post asked me if I was in that situation, I would just simply blacklist and move on.
    If you do not want messages from someone, blacklist them. If you do not want to share a screen with a character, leave. The blacklist system works as intended. There is no reason to be overdramatic in this specific situation.

    Let me just quote Stalking as defined by the Support Centre itself:
    https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...la=1&kid=68216

    It is prohibited to stalk a player as described in the following examples. If a report has been filed and the prohibited activity is confirmed, a penalty will be issued.

    - Persistently moving to locations where someone is, despite being asked to stop the behavior.
    - Persistently sending messages to someone, or directed at someone, through Tell or other means, despite being asked to stop the behavior.
    - Ambushing someone at their destination, or their housing estate, despite being asked to stop the behavior.
    - Persistently sending a friend or party request despite being asked to stop the behavior.
    - Creating new characters to message someone who has blacklisted you, despite being asked to stop the behavior.
    - Attempting to make contact in-game with someone despite official authorities forbidding contact with them in real-life.

    * The act of following someone around in a specific situation/area is considered "improper following" and is explained in the Obstruction of Play section below.

    Should the details described in a report be determined as "stalking activity," the stalking player will be penalized, and we may contact the victim and obtain their consent to issue an in-game restraining order. Should we confirm that a player has attempted to contact the victim through any means after being issued an in-game restraining order, a more severe penalty will be imposed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tsuchii View Post
    The blacklist literally prevents interaction with that person. It does what it intends to do. If you do not want to share a screen with them, leave.
    Do they HAVE to magically disappear from your screen? No. Like I previously said and is ignored, they have as much right to stand or wander in any open area as you.
    As someone who had a person blacklisted and they still managed to follow me around the game while I was doing MSQ, spam me with slap emotes and even go so far as to take on the appearance and name of my original character (after I changed both to try to throw them off) and proceed to harass my friends....the blacklist only prevents messages being exchanged. It absolutely doesn't prevent stalking/harassment/interaction taking place in other forms.

    Yeah, person can stand there but it's pretty common courtesy to not just send a random person a creepy message because you're speeding on a red bull and trying to use a disorder as an excuse for the behavior. Speaking as someone who has one, it's not acceptable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LianaThorne View Post
    As someone who had a person blacklisted and they still managed to follow me around the game while I was doing MSQ, spam me with slap emotes and even go so far as to take on the appearance and name of my original character (after I changed both to try to throw them off) and proceed to harass my friends....the blacklist only prevents messages being exchanged. It absolutely doesn't prevent stalking/harassment/interaction taking place in other forms.

    Yeah, person can stand there but it's pretty common courtesy to not just send a random person a creepy message because you're speeding on a red bull and trying to use a disorder as an excuse for the behavior. Speaking as someone who has one, it's not acceptable.
    That is two completely different situations - and definitely 100% harassment - and you should report.

    Spam slapping and following you at MSQ - that's a different story.

    ・Obscene/Indecent Expressions
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    In general, all expressions of an obscene/indecent nature are prohibited. If a report has been filed and the prohibited activity is confirmed, a penalty will be issued.

    This applies to not only text-based expressions such as chat but also to expressions that use emotes and or character movements in ways that are sexually explicit.

    - Examples of violations that use character motions
    - Using a combination of emotes and motions to mimic grinding against another character
    - Using movements that are evocative of sexual activities
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    Quote Originally Posted by LianaThorne View Post
    That's why I'm hardly on here anymore tbh/on a half-break from the game as a whole. My general sanity is doing better. Prob will take a peek at 6.45 but doubtful it's gonna drag me back in full time till 7.0.
    Doubt it too tbh, I am still happy with my houses and with my friends but that's pretty much it on my side

    also @the above post, not going to respond, I dont talk to people thinking stalking is okay, the only point I will respond to is the blacklist point, blacklist does nothing to help stalking buddy, and you shouldnt have to leave every 30 seconds because a person is following you, which is what the person was doing to the OP, even cross datacenter.

    Like in the post with pedophilia

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    "it's just a game" or "just leave" doesnt work when a person is following you and stalking you.

    Done with you now though, no point arguing further, that was the last time I responded to you in this thread.
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    Last edited by Stormpeaks; 07-17-2023 at 09:28 PM.

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