Accuracy questions.

[Hyrist]

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Firstly to Hyrist,
The only content dragoons are generally accepted by is Garuda, Ifrit extreme and lol moogle. moogle you dont need to gear accuracy but the other 2 you do. dont get me wrong you can use dragoons on any fight you want (however chimera is debateable) but in an purely optimal setting those are the only 2 fights people would even consider using a dragooon.

Ifrit is more important on it than Garuda as Garuda provides more straight DPS time, especially if you're attempting to skip. But you do need more accuracy to hit the sweet spot regardless with Garuda, as she's higher evasion by and large with Ifrit, aside from Extreme which you said is a minority event anyways. I do have to give props that the developers are starting to realize they have to make mechanics that stress the importance of a balanced group.

Ifrit you want 100% simply because you don't have the time for extended combos. Garuda gives far better tells for her skills.

A side-note - I did state previously that I am not in a Hardcore shell so 'optimal build mention' is irrelevant to the discussion. The game is currently balanced around a party of the 7 base classes with 1 flex position - and they're getting better at putting emphasis on that. I'm hoping by the time they come out with Battle Regime again the concept of class stacking will seem ineffective by comparison, but that doesn't stop my approach.

Ultimately the emphasis on loot over people is the reason why I stay away from hardcore groups. They won't hesitate to marry you to a class or job that you don't enjoy because it measures out as a better job for the role. My approach is the inverse, you chose a Class/Job you chose to excel at and you focus on being the best it can - regardless if it's the favorite of the patch or not. Thus, my concern isn't the popularity of the job, but rather what I can do to make it effective. For Chimera, I might just go Lancer to equip Maim - (if I do the run at all, I don't think the shell is interested really. I am though, being told the job is unpopular presents me with a challenge.)

This means various builds for various fights, and looking for all the little quirks that can eek out a bit more performance.

You let the person come to their own conclusion of having more than one job available for the group - something that will get easier to do once Classes have more than one Job attached to them.

[Eliseus]

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Ifrit is more important on it than Garuda as Garuda provides more straight DPS time, especially if you're attempting to skip. But you do need more accuracy to hit the sweet spot regardless with Garuda, as she's higher evasion by and large with Ifrit, aside from Extreme which you said is a minority event anyways. I do have to give props that the developers are starting to realize they have to make mechanics that stress the importance of a balanced group.

Ifrit you want 100% simply because you don't have the time for extended combos. Garuda gives far better tells for her skills.

A side-note - I did state previously that I am not in a Hardcore shell so 'optimal build mention' is irrelevant to the discussion. The game is currently balanced around a party of the 7 base classes with 1 flex position - and they're getting better at putting emphasis on that. I'm hoping by the time they come out with Battle Regime again the concept of class stacking will seem ineffective by comparison, but that doesn't stop my approach.

Ultimately the emphasis on loot over people is the reason why I stay away from hardcore groups. They won't hesitate to marry you to a class or job that you don't enjoy because it measures out as a better job for the role. My approach is the inverse, you chose a Class/Job you chose to excel at and you focus on being the best it can - regardless if it's the favorite of the patch or not. Thus, my concern isn't the popularity of the job, but rather what I can do to make it effective. For Chimera, I might just go Lancer to equip Maim - (if I do the run at all, I don't think the shell is interested really. I am though, being told the job is unpopular presents me with a challenge.)

This means various builds for various fights, and looking for all the little quirks that can eek out a bit more performance.

You let the person come to their own conclusion of having more than one job available for the group - something that will get easier to do once Classes have more than one Job attached to them.

When you actually kill Ifrit you can come and "try" to give advice again. Stop trying to give OP bad info. Also there is really no reason to carry around tons of different gear on drg, no, there really isn't stop trying to argue that there is for some reason. Specially considering that you can get enough acc while also being at stat caps. Please for the love, just shut up. Kthxbye

oh and No, you are wrong.

[Krausus]

I dont usually DRG on Garuda but I'm assuming you need less acc for the adds which is probably where most the damage from DRG is done as I have seen DRGs parse really high because of the adds. No?

[HoolieWho]

I have 372 acc in my usual DRG gear without food or buffs. I occasionally will miss a WS on Princess, but I start Doomspike combo for guard pops early enough to make up for a missed True Thrust just in case this happens. For Garuda I do use acc food and am happy with my acc for that fight.

I don't run a parser so I don't have any numbers, but the activation of DRG's reactive miss abilities helps with eyeballing your acc.

I use the stat caps as a guide for gearing, but am otherwise not particularly interested in min-maxing from encounter to encounter. I do carry atk and acc food and a pair of acc rings to make adjustments. Where I use DRG now, I only use the acc food for Garuda and haven't used either acc ring since the last WS acc adjustments.

[Squiggles]

from what ive been able to gather, 360~ on trash/dungeons, and 390-400 for primals will do you just about right OP

[Hyrist]

I dont usually DRG on Garuda but I'm assuming you need less acc for the adds which is probably where most the damage from DRG is done as I have seen DRGs parse really high because of the adds. No?

Honestly, so long as you can kill them cleanly, that's not where your damage focus should be at. It's on Garuda herself, who has higher evasion than Ifrit.

For Garuda, if you include the adds, the parse will skew in the DRG's favor because of the damage resistance for magic on all the targets.

Hoolie's got the right idea going on for the context. I am anxious to do more Primals myself, but I'd rather do it with people I enjoy playing the game with than with PuGs or people who resort to repeating the same phrase over and over again cause he can't argue competently.

[Krausus]

Honestly, so long as you can kill them cleanly, that's not where your damage focus should be at. It's on Garuda herself, who has higher evasion than Ifrit.

For Garuda, if you include the adds, the parse will skew in the DRG's favor because of the damage resistance for magic on all the targets.

Hoolie's got the right idea going on for the context. I am anxious to do more Primals myself, but I'd rather do it with people I enjoy playing the game with than with PuGs or people who resort to repeating the same phrase over and over again cause he can't argue competently.

personally I have been focusing on stat caps for my DRG acc is important for sure but once I cap my damage stats I will focus on that and have my food of choice acc

[Hyrist]

I agree on that a bit, but after a while, like overshooting accuracy, you start to take a determent by relying on any one approach too much.

You might benefit more from equipping rings and eating STR/ATK food.

My best recommendation on this particular matter would be to parse it - or have a friend do so for you if you're not comfortable running one. That's how we've gotten to the conclusion that 100% Accuracy isn't first priority once you're at a certain point. Attack doesn't seem to have a known soft cap. (That or we've not reached it yet.) So when in doubt, compare it to what attack values you can get there.

Currently sitting just 1 point over STR cap in specific leg equipment before food and about 12 under piety before food. I took the hit in attack to go for critrate/accuracy on my neck piece so I could do so, however. My main trouble at this point is enmity management but that will improve with experience.