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    At least 400acc in full group.

    I'm at like 425ish on Garuda and still miss. Not a lot, but it does happen.

    380 w/e isn't really going to cut it if you want to be serious about maxing your DPS. Specially when new content comes out that I'm assuming will be even harder to hit.

    Due to missing also being RNG its not optimal to try and gear your character towards actually trying to successfully time your misses with your miss abilities. Considering this combo is also so weak I would rather just melee swing to a real combo and also not waste tp on it. Only time I would actually consider this combo actually that useful is if you can get full thrust and feint off, which isn't always the case
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    I have 368 accuracy (only gear with it is a Flame Sergeant's Sash) and I usually 100% on Ifrit/95+ on anything else. Considering the fact that missing grants you a buttload of TP for another go, I don't understand why anyone would stack accuracy on this job. Just my two cents. :V
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyborgmermaid View Post
    I have 368 accuracy (only gear with it is a Flame Sergeant's Sash) and I usually 100% on Ifrit/95+ on anything else. Considering the fact that missing grants you a buttload of TP for another go, I don't understand why anyone would stack accuracy on this job. Just my two cents. :V
    With that much acc you are not hitting 100% of the time (or even 95+ on everything else or even close). Doing tests you will notice that your Normal WS' actually do more dmg then your miss WS'. To make matters even worse Full Thrust and disembowl are on 30s recast timers, and if you are missing enough to activate those a lot then you aren't even using them half the time while lowing your DPS because you know, you are missing and also not building TP for other WS's because you are missing. Also considering if you are missing enough to activate those all the time you can ALSO miss using them.

    Now take into account that your normal WS' do more then full thrust/feint/disembowl. You do not want those to miss. Now if you have the TP and miss a normal attack obviously it would be ideal to use them, BUT, the fact you would have to gear to miss instead of not hit, that increases the chances of missing your real WS' which isn't good and like I said, you end up missing more while waiting for full thrust/disembowl to even come off CD.

    Like I said before, due to missing being RNG, it is not optimal to actually gear towards trying to miss. It is better to just not miss at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliseus View Post
    With that much acc you are not hitting 100% of the time (or even 95+ on everything else or even close).
    Your word against BGParser. ┐(´‿`)┌
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyborgmermaid View Post
    Your word against BGParser. ┐(´‿`)┌
    Really? Show me some proof please, because that is very interesting if you are hitting 100% of the time with 368 acc. Would make me think about my setup a little more.

    Please parse Garuda also since I don't care about Ifrit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyborgmermaid View Post
    Your word against BGParser. ┐(´‿`)┌
    is your parser broken?
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    Like I said before, due to missing being RNG, it is not optimal to actually gear towards trying to miss. It is better to just not miss at all.
    I disagree, even more so due to the fact that the RNG can be kept low (~95-98%) you will still get dependable procs off of a hit on Chaos Thrust that will alow you to capitalize on one of the missed hits.

    And an one missed hit on Chaos Thrust is a lot less damage than either of the post-miss combos.

    In the end, it's going to boil down to personal experience. If you can quickily capitalize on your misses by activating your skills in quick order, then no, 100% accuracy is not good. But you also don't want to be constantly missing out on attacks mid chain. You learn to balance when and where to empasise it.

    If anything, I'd take from the conversation that sitting static with one build isn't optimal for every fight. If you're facing an opponent that has lesser evasion, you're able to settle for more stats and less accuracy, and vice versa. For me, the difference usually is food.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyrist View Post
    I disagree, even more so due to the fact that the RNG can be kept low (~95-98%) you will still get dependable procs off of a hit on Chaos Thrust that will alow you to capitalize on one of the missed hits.

    And an one missed hit on Chaos Thrust is a lot less damage than either of the post-miss combos.

    In the end, it's going to boil down to personal experience. If you can quickily capitalize on your misses by activating your skills in quick order, then no, 100% accuracy is not good. But you also don't want to be constantly missing out on attacks mid chain. You learn to balance when and where to empasise it.

    If anything, I'd take from the conversation that sitting static with one build isn't optimal for every fight. If you're facing an opponent that has lesser evasion, you're able to settle for more stats and less accuracy, and vice versa. For me, the difference usually is food.
    Ya, luckily when you have all the proper gear, it just kinda comes with ACC lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliseus View Post
    Ya, luckily when you have all the proper gear, it just kinda comes with ACC lol
    Well I wouldn't say proper, but what I would consider BiS gear which may be different from someone else.

    Oops wtf, why did I quote myself, I meant to edit.
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    I'm a fair bit away form any BiS gear, to be completely honest.

    I'm just short of the mark when it comes to my stat caps (eating specific food pushes me to STR cap, but I'm behind on my Piety, still working on a triple meld body.) But even then, I'm not running into major accuracy problems, because I adjust for what I'm fighting.
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