Accuracy questions.

[Malix]

Kay, stop with the insults - we know how to read.

What I am telling you is that our experiences belie your accretions. The percentage chance of missing your Weapon Skills is so minute compared to that of your normal Auto-Attack, that the benefits outweigh the losses. I'm well aware of the fact that when you Miss a WS, it's lost DPS. What we are telling you is that it simply does not happen enough on WSes to merit the sort of absolution panic you're presenting. Instead, what is happening in the pratical application is that we're missing auto-attacks, which are immediately followed up on by low TP WSes that are resulting in more damage overall, as opposed to less.

That's not to say 364 Accuracy is the best accuracy to have for every situation. You've no idea how those values change or what monsters she's facing. Garuda is a non-factor in our linkshell right now as it's rotated into the cycle infrequently and attendance for her is poor. That renders all of your accuracy concerns for my friend to be moot, as Rail is parsing in the high 90% for hit-rate according to BGParse (Used by our Raid Captain.)

You want to be rude and closed minded about it, that's your failing. Otherwise, try getting your Accuracy to about 95-96% Rather than 100%. At worst you'll have a good chance of missing 1 hit of your Chaos Thrust and be able to follow it up with a combo for more damage. Or, while trying to set up position, get a missed auto-attack and be able to combo on the spot.

We've stated our experience with it. Instead of trying to assert your superiority, why don't you test it for yourself first? As I said, I find the sweet-spot to be around 95% accuracy on average, although, the test samples are small due to the speed of the fights and infrequency of appropriate people on.

Sorry had to chime in on this. If garuda isnt a factor thats all well in good but bear in mind that garuda is currently the highest endgame content at the moment and if you had any mmo experience you would know that the next content they add are gonna be more demanding stat wise. your 364 is fine for what ever you doing but any garuda group thats plan on winning will NOT take you with that much accuracy it wont happen no matter what your theory are. another thing to note on fight like garuda or even ifrit when you dont have much uptime on the boss accuracy is especially key, sure you can say "even if i miss i can just use fient combo" but its an EXTRA action which you might not be able to do. so yea the theory of stacking attack over acc is sound in situations where you can stay nearly full uptime on a boss but on all the endgame content that matters you cant.

[MariyaShidou]

Garuda isn't highest end-game, it's Ifrit extreme. And Accuracy is easily achievable by swapping ring/choker for acc, if I want Acc I can easily get 460 solo.

And Myrmidon Princess has very high Magic Evasion compared to Chimera. That means future content will have both high Acc demanding and low Acc demanding, not only one of them.

[Eliseus]

What, you mean there is both!?

[Malix]

Garuda isn't highest end-game, it's Ifrit extreme. And Accuracy is easily achievable by swapping ring/choker for acc, if I want Acc I can easily get 460 solo.

And Myrmidon Princess has very high Magic Evasion compared to Chimera. That means future content will have both high Acc demanding and low Acc demanding, not only one of them.

Wouldn't consider ifrit extremely content for the simple fact that its for relic only meaning its not something that will be normally done under normal circumstances. It's just a harder fight than the original not even new really. and can you state the acc/ choker you use to get up to 460. bcz drg alone is only around 350 so you would have to get over 100 acc from those 3 pieces. i have 341 with nothing but light party bonus.

[MariyaShidou]

Wouldn't consider ifrit extremely content for the simple fact that its for relic only meaning its not something that will be normally done under normal circumstances. It's just a harder fight than the original not even new really. and can you state the acc/ choker you use to get up to 460. bcz drg alone is only around 350 so you would have to get over 100 acc from those 3 pieces. i have 341 with nothing but light party bonus.

Relic is waaaaaaaay better than Garuda. Simple fact, you only do Garuda because of the weapons, nothing else, the same as Ifrit Extreme. Yoshida also stated there will be Extreme version for all Primal Fights in 2.0.

There are also so many Acc buff that by just saying "I have 341 with nothing but light party bonus" can mean a lot of things. I also have 371 Acc with no food, no Acc accessories or Materia, no party bonus (Party bonus does not show in attribute) and no Song buff.
If I switch my Crit chance Explorer Belt for Veteran's, that's a +5.
2x Electrum Ring HQ +36
Explorer Choker +15
Stuffed Cabbage +34
That's already 461. That doesn't include Minuet. Just because I'm running around with one set of gears doesn't mean I don't have other stuff to swap when content require me to.

[Eliseus]

Relic is waaaaaaaay better than Garuda. Simple fact, you only do Garuda because of the weapons, nothing else, the same as Ifrit Extreme. Yoshida also stated there will be Extreme version for all Primal Fights in 2.0.

There are also so many Acc buff that by just saying "I have 341 with nothing but light party bonus" can mean a lot of things. I also have 371 Acc with no food, no Acc accessories or Materia, no party bonus (Party bonus does not show in attribute) and no Song buff.
If I switch my Crit chance Explorer Belt for Veteran's, that's a +5.
2x Electrum Ring HQ +36
Explorer Choker +15
Stuffed Cabbage +34
That's already 461. That doesn't include Minuet. Just because I'm running around with one set of gears doesn't mean I don't have other stuff to swap when content require me to.

I have over 9000 acc, beat that.

[Hyrist]

Sorry had to chime in on this. If garuda isnt a factor thats all well in good but bear in mind that garuda is currently the highest endgame content at the moment and if you had any mmo experience you would know that the next content they add are gonna be more demanding stat wise.

I've quite a bit of MMO experience, and I've had more than a few experiences to the contrary of your statement Malix.

But ignoring that, what you are forgetting, simply, is that Power Creep, the circumstance you are describing in which monsters are they are released get progressively stronger to challenge players who get better and better builds, works both ways.

Just as I have a different set for high-evasion monsters, and intended build progression path, so too would Rail's gear change as more gear becomes available. The previously stated value isn't a static number for eternity. It's not as if she doesn't already have her eyes on the Flame Lt's Spear, which, by the way gives even Garuda's Beak a run for its money. (With me as a Gridanian... hmm. Awell!)

As far as Accuracy in situations in which you have limited attack windows. I would agree on insuring accuracy. But, to be blunt, the only Primal that gets reliable attendance is Moogle - and that does give a good bit of standing DPS time, and at low Accuracy requirements to boot.

The point of the matter is, however, you gear for what you do and in a straight standing DPS race, Dragoon doesn't benefit as much from max accuracy. As you move on to challenge higher things as your gear improves.

That said, there is a bit of a misnomer on Garuda. Her attack Window is only limited in the first and second stages, no where near as problematic movement wise as Ifrit is. Once stage two is done, you're more or less straight DPSing. And her Jumps are more likely to break your chains than a miss is, in these circumstances.

Anyways, I'm still narrowing down where the exact sweet spot is percentage wise, and of course that changes from target to target so it's quite hard to get a solid sample base.

But like Mariya, I tend to have spare pieces of gear on hand for adjustments. (I've got adjustments on hand to emphasize crit chance, Accuracy, and - Emnity respectively, though, Rail has a far better - Emnity build than I do. I take soo much hate ; ; )

[Eliseus]

I've quite a bit of MMO experience, and I've had more than a few experiences to the contrary of your statement Malix.

But ignoring that, what you are forgetting, simply, is that Power Creep, the circumstance you are describing in which monsters are they are released get progressively stronger to challenge players who get better and better builds, works both ways.

Just as I have a different set for high-evasion monsters, and intended build progression path, so too would Rail's gear change as more gear becomes available. The previously stated value isn't a static number for eternity. It's not as if she doesn't already have her eyes on the Flame Lt's Spear, which, by the way gives even Garuda's Beak a run for its money. (With me as a Gridanian... hmm. Awell!)

As far as Accuracy in situations in which you have limited attack windows. I would agree on insuring accuracy. But, to be blunt, the only Primal that gets reliable attendance is Moogle - and that does give a good bit of standing DPS time, and at low Accuracy requirements to boot.

The point of the matter is, however, you gear for what you do and in a straight standing DPS race, Dragoon doesn't benefit as much from max accuracy. As you move on to challenge higher things as your gear improves.

That said, there is a bit of a misnomer on Garuda. Her attack Window is only limited in the first and second stages, no where near as problematic movement wise as Ifrit is. Once stage two is done, you're more or less straight DPSing. And her Jumps are more likely to break your chains than a miss is, in these circumstances.

Anyways, I'm still narrowing down where the exact sweet spot is percentage wise, and of course that changes from target to target so it's quite hard to get a solid sample base.

But like Mariya, I tend to have spare pieces of gear on hand for adjustments. (I've got adjustments on hand to emphasize crit chance, Accuracy, and - Emnity respectively, though, Rail has a far better - Emnity build than I do. I take soo much hate ; ; )

No, you are wrong.

[Malix]

Firstly to Hyrist,
The only content dragoons are generally accepted by is Garuda, Ifrit extreme and lol moogle. moogle you dont need to gear accuracy but the other 2 you do. dont get me wrong you can use dragoons on any fight you want (however chimera is debateable) but in an purely optimal setting those are the only 2 fights people would even consider using a dragooon.

Now for MariyaShidou

didnt think i had to dumb it down because i figured you knew what the definition of "nothing" was. i was in a group switched to drg had nothing on that gave acc and had 341 acc. But wait theres more, didnt you say you got 460+ with accessories alone? i believe you did. read your own posts before you read mines.

[MariyaShidou]

Firstly to Hyrist,
The only content dragoons are generally accepted by is Garuda, Ifrit extreme and lol moogle. moogle you dont need to gear accuracy but the other 2 you do. dont get me wrong you can use dragoons on any fight you want (however chimera is debateable) but in an purely optimal setting those are the only 2 fights people would even consider using a dragooon.

Now for MariyaShidou

didnt think i had to dumb it down because i figured you knew what the definition of "nothing" was. i was in a group switched to drg had nothing on that gave acc and had 341 acc. But wait theres more, didnt you say you got 460+ with accessories alone? i believe you did. read your own posts before you read mines.

"If I want I can get easily 460 Acc solo" is what I wrote. I also said that I have 371 Acc without Ring/Choker/Food/Materia for Acc buff. I don't even know why you're nitpicking on me, maybe because I have more Acc than you guys could have or something? Whatever, I'm playing the game casually and I seriously doubt that trying to compare with me would boost your ego much Full DL, triple/quad Grade IV melded gears I have seen them all, maybe you want to compare your stat to them. JP DRG also killed Garuda in full AF, 'nuff said.