Accuracy questions.

[Eliseus]

Eliseus, you're imposing restrictions that aren't relevant.

It's DPS that matters, not Accuracy. Accuracy is an ingredient in making your DPS effective, but it is not the only one.

So the question you should be asking her is "What's your DPS on Garuda and what sort of accuracy are you pumping with her?"

In which case, you'll be waiting until the group does another Garuda run. (Rail and I are LS mates.) And Rail actually is on DRG during that run and not on other classes she has. (I tend to hog the DRG spot.)

I am not going to lie. I am 100% confused by your post.

Well I guess confused by everything but the second/third sentence and even that is confusing since you need to hit in order to DPS? lol (BTW, no one said you should have like 9000 ACC, I just simply said she is full of it saying she hits things 100% with 368, maybe EXP mobs she means?)

[ShivenCasull]

I am not going to lie. I am 100% confused by your post.

Well I guess confused by everything but the second/third sentence.

It doesn't matter if you hit 95% of the time or 99% of the time, your damage (total, damage per second/DPS) is what matters. So the question you should ask is "How much DPS, and at what accuracy."

[Eliseus]

It doesn't matter if you hit 95% of the time or 99% of the time, your damage (total, damage per second/DPS) is what matters. So the question you should ask is "How much DPS, and at what accuracy."

Actually it does matter lol. I understand though where your guys logic comes from because it definitely makes sense the more you miss the higher your DPS goes.

[ShivenCasull]

Actually it does matter lol. I understand though where your guys logic comes from because it definitely makes sense the more you miss the higher your DPS goes.

You can hit harder at the expense of missing more often, thus increasing your over all damage. Effective DPS is a DD's goal in any game.

Typically it's best to maximize accuracy @ 100% and then increase your damage. However with limited stats and gear choices you might have to sacrifice some accuracy for increased damage.

It's really not complicated :/

[Hyrist]

You can hit harder at the expense of missing more often, thus increasing your over all damage. Effective DPS is a DD's goal in any game.

Typically it's best to maximize accuracy @ 100% and then increase your damage. However with limited stats and gear choices you might have to sacrifice some accuracy for damage.

It's really not complicated :/

And with Dragoon, there is more forgiveness for missed attacks than with other jobs as we're employed with abilities that benefit from missing. And if you can balance that so that you're actually getting more of the benefits from when you miss, than the determent of missing, then you wind up far more on top than if you hit 100% of the time.

Yes, it's random, there is an element of luck of taking that approach. But you also have to understand that the bulk of a Dragoon's damage comes from skills, yet we still do auto-attack quite a bit. If an Auto-attack misses, and you use that to use some extra WS attacks, it actually benefits you in the long run.

Overall, if you're doing things right, you'll have a far more likely chance to miss on an Auto-Attack or for one of your Chaos Thrust hits, than miss during your Combos.

So while, yes, accuracy is part of what makes you a Good DPS, for Dragoon, it hurts them to have perfect accuracy.

[ShivenCasull]

So while, yes, accuracy is part of what makes you a Good DPS, for Dragoon, it hurts them to have perfect accuracy.

Yeah, feint combos are pretty awesome. I was thinking more specifically of some gear choices that favor high accuracy at the expense of damage/pure stats. I figured a modern day (XIV) Dragoon could probably explain feint better than I could. :P

[Eliseus]

There isn't forgiveness. Like I tried explaining in early posts if you actually read them is your NORMAL WS' do more then your miss WS'. The fact also that Full Thrust / disembowl are on 30s CD would make missing even MORE worthless when you are missing while those are down, if you are already missing as much as you are (and you definitely are with 368 acc) you are probably even missing the abilities you would use from missing.

Like I said before and I'll say it again also since you guys don't seem to read. It is not worth gearing to try and set up your DRG for the miss abilities. Sure, if it happens it happens, but it really is ideal to just not miss, and no Hyrist, you are not hurting your drg to have "perfect accuracy." Matter of fact it's the complete opposite. Let me put it this way, the amount of times you will miss if you are missing will more then likely not actually be made up from using the missing abilities, from lack up tp generation and the fact that you will be missing more then once while waiting for Full Thrust / disembowl to even come back up. Also, RNG is never something to rely on.

Look I'm just trying to help your friend with 368 acc, if they want to roll with that its w/e, they pay to play their game therefore should be able to do w/e they want. I'm just thankful the DRGs I play with are smarter then that.

[Hyrist]

Look I'm just trying to help your friend with 368 acc, if they want to roll with that its w/e, they pay to play their game therefore should be able to do w/e they want. I'm just thankful the DRGs I play with are smarter then that.

Kay, stop with the insults - we know how to read.

What I am telling you is that our experiences belie your accretions. The percentage chance of missing your Weapon Skills is so minute compared to that of your normal Auto-Attack, that the benefits outweigh the losses. I'm well aware of the fact that when you Miss a WS, it's lost DPS. What we are telling you is that it simply does not happen enough on WSes to merit the sort of absolution panic you're presenting. Instead, what is happening in the pratical application is that we're missing auto-attacks, which are immediately followed up on by low TP WSes that are resulting in more damage overall, as opposed to less.

That's not to say 364 Accuracy is the best accuracy to have for every situation. You've no idea how those values change or what monsters she's facing. Garuda is a non-factor in our linkshell right now as it's rotated into the cycle infrequently and attendance for her is poor. That renders all of your accuracy concerns for my friend to be moot, as Rail is parsing in the high 90% for hit-rate according to BGParse (Used by our Raid Captain.)

You want to be rude and closed minded about it, that's your failing. Otherwise, try getting your Accuracy to about 95-96% Rather than 100%. At worst you'll have a good chance of missing 1 hit of your Chaos Thrust and be able to follow it up with a combo for more damage. Or, while trying to set up position, get a missed auto-attack and be able to combo on the spot.

We've stated our experience with it. Instead of trying to assert your superiority, why don't you test it for yourself first? As I said, I find the sweet-spot to be around 95% accuracy on average, although, the test samples are small due to the speed of the fights and infrequency of appropriate people on.

[Eliseus]

Kay, stop with the insults - we know how to read.

What I am telling you is that our experiences belie your accretions. The percentage chance of missing your Weapon Skills is so minute compared to that of your normal Auto-Attack, that the benefits outweigh the losses. I'm well aware of the fact that when you Miss a WS, it's lost DPS. What we are telling you is that it simply does not happen enough on WSes to merit the sort of absolution panic you're presenting. Instead, what is happening in the pratical application is that we're missing auto-attacks, which are immediately followed up on by low TP WSes that are resulting in more damage overall, as opposed to less.

That's not to say 364 Accuracy is the best accuracy to have for every situation. You've no idea how those values change or what monsters she's facing. Garuda is a non-factor in our linkshell right now as it's rotated into the cycle infrequently and attendance for her is poor. That renders all of your accuracy concerns for my friend to be moot, as Rail is parsing in the high 90% for hit-rate according to BGParse (Used by our Raid Captain.)

You want to be rude and closed minded about it, that's your failing. Otherwise, try getting your Accuracy to about 95-96% Rather than 100%. At worst you'll have a good chance of missing 1 hit of your Chaos Thrust and be able to follow it up with a combo for more damage. Or, while trying to set up position, get a missed auto-attack and be able to combo on the spot.

We've stated our experience with it. Instead of trying to assert your superiority, why don't you test it for yourself first? As I said, I find the sweet-spot to be around 95% accuracy on average, although, the test samples are small due to the speed of the fights and infrequency of appropriate people on.

I did test it, again, go read previous posts. So you are just going to spam miss normal hits then? How do you get TP when meditate and jump are down?

Show me some parse data like I already asked for and I'll believe how godly you must be with your 364? Acc now (in the 380s a little more believable that some people mention in this thread, but you are just dumb with 364). I feel like I'm talking to a wall that just isn't listening, I've even explained about how good the miss WS' in actuality really are. You don't have to listen, I really don't care, Ty for noticing my superiority, I love to assert it.

Go fight a 58 mob for example, hell you can do it on a lvl 1. The lvl 1 might be better though since 364 acc you are going to have a hard time on the 58s.

Oh, btw, I never said to not use the miss WS' at all, I think I even mentioned once using them on a missed normal hit (hence actually reading which you say you know how to do but IDK). I said it's not worth gearing to actually try and miss for those due to RNG and 30s CDs.

[Malix]

Your word against BGParser. ┐(´‿｀)┌

is your parser broken?