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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyrist View Post
    I've quite a bit of MMO experience, and I've had more than a few experiences to the contrary of your statement Malix.

    But ignoring that, what you are forgetting, simply, is that Power Creep, the circumstance you are describing in which monsters are they are released get progressively stronger to challenge players who get better and better builds, works both ways.

    Just as I have a different set for high-evasion monsters, and intended build progression path, so too would Rail's gear change as more gear becomes available. The previously stated value isn't a static number for eternity. It's not as if she doesn't already have her eyes on the Flame Lt's Spear, which, by the way gives even Garuda's Beak a run for its money. (With me as a Gridanian... hmm. Awell!)

    As far as Accuracy in situations in which you have limited attack windows. I would agree on insuring accuracy. But, to be blunt, the only Primal that gets reliable attendance is Moogle - and that does give a good bit of standing DPS time, and at low Accuracy requirements to boot.

    The point of the matter is, however, you gear for what you do and in a straight standing DPS race, Dragoon doesn't benefit as much from max accuracy. As you move on to challenge higher things as your gear improves.

    That said, there is a bit of a misnomer on Garuda. Her attack Window is only limited in the first and second stages, no where near as problematic movement wise as Ifrit is. Once stage two is done, you're more or less straight DPSing. And her Jumps are more likely to break your chains than a miss is, in these circumstances.

    Anyways, I'm still narrowing down where the exact sweet spot is percentage wise, and of course that changes from target to target so it's quite hard to get a solid sample base.

    But like Mariya, I tend to have spare pieces of gear on hand for adjustments. (I've got adjustments on hand to emphasize crit chance, Accuracy, and - Emnity respectively, though, Rail has a far better - Emnity build than I do. I take soo much hate ; ; )
    No, you are wrong.
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    Garuda isn't highest end-game, it's Ifrit extreme. And Accuracy is easily achievable by swapping ring/choker for acc, if I want Acc I can easily get 460 solo.

    And Myrmidon Princess has very high Magic Evasion compared to Chimera. That means future content will have both high Acc demanding and low Acc demanding, not only one of them.
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    What, you mean there is both!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MariyaShidou View Post
    Garuda isn't highest end-game, it's Ifrit extreme. And Accuracy is easily achievable by swapping ring/choker for acc, if I want Acc I can easily get 460 solo.

    And Myrmidon Princess has very high Magic Evasion compared to Chimera. That means future content will have both high Acc demanding and low Acc demanding, not only one of them.
    Wouldn't consider ifrit extremely content for the simple fact that its for relic only meaning its not something that will be normally done under normal circumstances. It's just a harder fight than the original not even new really. and can you state the acc/ choker you use to get up to 460. bcz drg alone is only around 350 so you would have to get over 100 acc from those 3 pieces. i have 341 with nothing but light party bonus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malix View Post
    Wouldn't consider ifrit extremely content for the simple fact that its for relic only meaning its not something that will be normally done under normal circumstances. It's just a harder fight than the original not even new really. and can you state the acc/ choker you use to get up to 460. bcz drg alone is only around 350 so you would have to get over 100 acc from those 3 pieces. i have 341 with nothing but light party bonus.
    Relic is waaaaaaaay better than Garuda. Simple fact, you only do Garuda because of the weapons, nothing else, the same as Ifrit Extreme. Yoshida also stated there will be Extreme version for all Primal Fights in 2.0.

    There are also so many Acc buff that by just saying "I have 341 with nothing but light party bonus" can mean a lot of things. I also have 371 Acc with no food, no Acc accessories or Materia, no party bonus (Party bonus does not show in attribute) and no Song buff.
    If I switch my Crit chance Explorer Belt for Veteran's, that's a +5.
    2x Electrum Ring HQ +36
    Explorer Choker +15
    Stuffed Cabbage +34
    That's already 461. That doesn't include Minuet. Just because I'm running around with one set of gears doesn't mean I don't have other stuff to swap when content require me to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MariyaShidou View Post
    Relic is waaaaaaaay better than Garuda. Simple fact, you only do Garuda because of the weapons, nothing else, the same as Ifrit Extreme. Yoshida also stated there will be Extreme version for all Primal Fights in 2.0.

    There are also so many Acc buff that by just saying "I have 341 with nothing but light party bonus" can mean a lot of things. I also have 371 Acc with no food, no Acc accessories or Materia, no party bonus (Party bonus does not show in attribute) and no Song buff.
    If I switch my Crit chance Explorer Belt for Veteran's, that's a +5.
    2x Electrum Ring HQ +36
    Explorer Choker +15
    Stuffed Cabbage +34
    That's already 461. That doesn't include Minuet. Just because I'm running around with one set of gears doesn't mean I don't have other stuff to swap when content require me to.
    I have over 9000 acc, beat that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MariyaShidou View Post
    No, u are wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliseus View Post
    No, u are wrong.
    Forgot, that guy also plays on your server and that fight was before Acc boost on DRG WS + Power Surge buff. Yes he can, and no you are wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MariyaShidou View Post
    Forgot, that guy also plays on your server and that fight was before Acc boost on DRG WS + Power Surge buff. Yes he can, and no you are wrong.
    No, you are wrong.
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