Remember when this game was good?

[Absurdity]

I do, ARR-SHB were good memories.

I'm questioning if we played the same Shadowbringers.

It started the disaster that is current job design.
It had the same boring dungeons and laughably easy normal content.
The Alliance raids were a crossover snoozefest with bullet sponge bosses and a story that made you scratch your head.
Almost every extreme trial had forced downtime where you get to watch a cutscene.
Savage was rather mid outside of very few outstanding fights.
It had the 6 month wait between 5.2 and 5.3 (it just had a better reason than Endwalker does for the longer wait time)

ShB's only redeeming feature was an MSQ that didn't have more holes than swiss cheese and at least some content with longevity.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Every expansion has had issues.



Every. Single. One.



And we got doom posts. Every. Single. One.

[Atelier-Bagur]

I'm questioning if we played the same Shadowbringers.

It started the disaster that is current job design.
It had the same boring dungeons and laughably easy normal content.
The Alliance raids were a crossover snoozefest with bullet sponge bosses and a story that made you scratch your head.
Almost every extreme trial had forced downtime where you get to watch a cutscene.
Savage was rather mid outside of very few outstanding fights.
It had the 6 month wait between 5.2 and 5.3 (it just had a better reason than Endwalker does for the longer wait time)

ShB's only redeeming feature was an MSQ that didn't have more holes than swiss cheese and at least some content with longevity.

How did Ardbert and his group caused the flood of light by felling the Ascians? Is that implying the concept of "good" somehow is an element and because Ardbert and company did so much good in the world that it broke its balance?

Can we finally accept how the game's conflict of calamities (specifically Light and Dark) literally is nothing but a Care Bears episode

[EZGIL]

[Absurdity]

How did Ardbert and his group caused the flood of light by felling the Ascians? Is that implying the concept of "good" somehow is an element and because Ardbert and company did so much good in the world that it broke its balance?

Can we finally accept how the game's conflict of calamities (specifically Light and Dark) literally is nothing but a Care Bears episode

I never said it didn't have any plot holes, just not as many as Endwalker does.

But yes, from my cursory knowledge the implication seems to be that by foiling the Ascian's plans they shifted the aetheric balance too far towards umbral (or was it astral since that same story flipped them around?). But don't ask me how or why our actions haven't caused the source to turn into the same hellhole yet.

[Renalt]

Every expansion has had issues.



Every. Single. One.



And we got doom posts. Every. Single. One.

https://youtu.be/QlsxUeOZRhE

[SannaR]

I'm kind of surprised no one til now has said patch 1.23.

[Atelier-Bagur]

I never said it didn't have any plot holes, just not as many as Endwalker does.

But yes, from my cursory knowledge the implication seems to be that by foiling the Ascian's plans they shifted the aetheric balance too far towards umbral (or was it astral since that same story flipped them around?). But don't ask me how or why our actions haven't caused the source to turn into the same hellhole yet.

And this is why I stopped taking this game's story seriously as some people do. The plot jumped the shark with Shadowbringers and it continued in Endwalker. Will never understand how so many people got so attached to the plot at this point. Its still an entertaining story but I hate how so many people overly praise Shb's premise when its nothing but bs.

Anyway that was an off tangent, my bad.

[Atelier-Bagur]

You know what no! I still have something else to say about Shadowbringers. That whole Flood of Light being an overabundance of "good" in the world plot thing could've stilled worked if the story actually ran with the premise by forcing us to do atrocities in order to bring in darkness into the world and actually give a lot of the Scions some inner conflict and depth when they're put into the same situation that Ardbert and friends did at the Source of being antagonists for the greater good. It would've given Shadowbringers the morality edge it so tried to give off with the joke of a title of "Warrior of Darkness". Give me a break, we're just PRETENDING being an actual warrior of darkness.

You know whats even funnier? The Japanese title for Shadowbringers is "The Jet-Black Villains". Keyword on VILLIANS. YEAH REALLY NICE VILLIANS WE BECAME IN THE GAME HUH FELLAS.


Gosh screw Shadowbringers story. I seriously wished the plot didnt pull that Kingdom Hearts Light and Dark crud so hard.

[OM3GA-Z3RO]

I also had that thought, the mere mention that you have to bear the title as the Warrior of Darkness I was like: "Oooh boy we gonna cause some chaos!"

But you still do good deeds, I was utterly disappointed. If the game actually steered towards a path of villainy to save the world then there would be lots of inner conflict among our group of know-it-alls but damn they dropped the ball hard the trailer even shown Derplander losing to a Lightwarden because being the Warrior of Light won't cut it anymore so he was forced to take in the power of darkness but no, throughout the entire story you just absorb more powers of light.