Meteion was right/ req

[BRVV]

Anyways meteion is 100% correct you can't ever escape despair all you can do is try to avoid the inevitable

Everyone argueing in this direction treats Meteion as a force of nature villian but that would imply she has no agency. At the same time you are agreeing with her.

Why is bird girl special? I mean: Why can only she inflict despair with the point being "you must overcome it". By that logic everyone can commit any crime. Slaughter, sundering, withholding the truth, become crystal mom, all justified. Why couldn't the story have us kill almost all Garleans then? 'Just overcome that despair yo!' Not gonna even dive into what this would mean if you apply that logic in RL.

[Avoidy]

I feel like op might not be trolling and maybe this is his first jRPG or something. OP, if you enjoyed meteion, check this tv tropes page and have fun because variations of her schtick are super common. Granted, Meteion is definitely a more sympathetic take on the trope, but still, you'll probably find a lot of media you'll enjoy in here if you give it a look.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.p...cTemperTantrum

That said, I do agree that the writers could've done a better job of disproving the antagonist's argument beyond having the main characters just yell platitudes at the villain and then finally blow her up in a cool level 90 Trial. Maybe... give them actual despair to overcome? I didn't feel like it happened enough. For example, there's a part where we're supposed to be worried that everyone's dead, but let's be real nobody actually thought SE would have the balls to kill off every scion. They overplayed the hand and the story's climax suffered for it imo. This story hasn't had the balls to kill any main characters in years, so a story that's supposed to be about dealing with the lowest lows kind of feels out of place. Yeah, we the audience might be told that the characters are worried, but we as players are feeling nothing because we know nothing really bad's gonna happen because nothing really bad ever happens. Or the part where Zenos takes over our body and proceeds to basically do nothing meaningful with it, and then just hands it back. He could've done some actual damage, you know? That would've been pretty bad, if he'd used our body to maim or maybe even kill a scion or something. Imagine overcoming that level of despair and then going into the meteion fight. All of a sudden, lines like "we've been there before" actually resonate because they have authenticity. Or, going back to past expansions, look at areas of stormblood that could've been really really gritty and dark if they'd fleshed it out even a little bit. Krile's whole kidnapping arc where the echo basically trauma dumps hundreds of victims over her psyche and she just bounces back like a minute later, the whole black rose threat, etc. But instead none of that gets to breathe either. After going through Shb's Weapon questline, I feel like there are side characters who deal with more despair than the main scions do. I just think it says a lot when every time they have to remind us of "hard times" for the scions they flash back to heavensward because it's just been that long since anyone meaningful actually bit the dust. The fistfight with Zenos had more impact to me, because for all his superficiality, at least Zenos and his whole conflict feels genuine.

idk though, I want to say a large part of my issue with the story also stems from the sheer length of it, and from how hard it is to sort of marathon it all before a new expansion drops. With any other long running series, I'd rewatch it to get a refresher on everything that happened, but doing this in ff14 requires like 400 hours of fetch quest bullshit so I never bother going back. It's entirely possible that I just forgot some nugget of genuine hardcore despair that might've made thancred's "We've been here before!!" line really resonate. As it stands though, the expac's climactic encounter with meteion felt hella hollow and empty and I bet it feels even worse for first timers now that the fight ends before she can even speak lol

[Eorzean_username]

For people that want some sort of Meteion outfit - you need to realize that it will be possible to wear it as male Roe, so be careful with the monkey's paw. Don't let that horror come to life.

I personally have way, way bigger concerns in my life than whether a grown man wants to cosplay as a blue anime magical-girl spacebird.

[IckeDerTyp]

Happiness is everywhere :3 it's in the small things you enjoy!

No way despair even has a chance~

[BRVV]

a bit offtopic but since we are there: hope you get well OP. From your text it doesn't seem like you think that you will but i hope you're wrong. Also realize, if you haven't, that there is a difference of wanting to die and not wanting to live (your current life). That may help

[OdinelStarrei]

Oh I remember this, MandaloreGaming reviewed this dumpster fire

Yea yea!

Oop, nope. Guess I was wrong. Unfortunate, but it looked so similar...

Anyway, this is a really tragic person, and I really do empathize with them, being somewhat of a reformed edgelord myself.

It's kinda sad actually, because I really do think it's a good recipe for some philosophical musings, and there is a conversation that could be made for Meteion/Endsinger actually being objectively correct considering the circumstances of Dead Ends or the horrifying nature of things like The Great Filter, at least before they did the Beast Tribes and a galactic conflict that ended no less than three civilizations, whether from eternal threats (Omicrons) or internal strife (Karelians) and eternal nihilism were solved by going to Space Starbucks with your mortal enemies.

It's just not the best that based on their previous posts we can't have that conversation of Endsinger being right, at least not in this thread, because no one here is going to take this person seriously. I think Endsinger is based, personally.

Stay in therapy and stay medicated. It's for the best. The alternative isn't better, in my opinion. Also, please stop making alts to come back here for your own sake, you are easily memed on, and it's just not worth your time or the mental load. I doubt you're trolling, because you're too committed to the bit. Like, take care of yourself, seriously.

[ZephyrMenodora]

It's just not the best that based on their previous posts we can't have that conversation of Endsinger being right, at least not in this thread, because no one here is going to take this person seriously. I think Endsinger is based, personally.

I find Endsinger insane - particularly her deciding for an entire planet/universe that they don't deserve life and that their lives have no meaning. Nothing based about genocidal conclusions to me.

[OdinelStarrei]

Lol wait what? You think I am an alt?

I did it reddit!

No, not you! The OP! The one who we are concerned about!

I find Endsinger insane - particularly her deciding for an entire planet/universe that they don't deserve life and that their lives have no meaning. Nothing based about genocidal conclusions to me.

Okay, let me defend myself before I sound too insane, that was probably the worst way I could have worded that. I do think Endsinger is wrong in the method. Forced omnicide is no good. At this point, I've really prescribed to the theory that even if a world is doomed, and cannot be saved, it is still the responsibility of a sentient being to document and record the downfall so that they are not entirely erased to the sands of time. It was wrong for this responsibility to be forced upon the Meteia, and this is why I have sympathies for Meteion. Every funeral pyre needs someone to write an obituary, or those lives are lost in a way worse way than death, by being unrecorded as if they never existed. Kinda like the vaporization from 1984, but instead of a person, it's an entire civilization.

I don't think her base ideology is flawed though, since most of life, as described by Venat, is filled of nothing but pure suffering. And life does not have any meaning on a universal scale in our or the Ultima Thule presentation of our reality, it's an aberration at best. Meaning is derived from the free will of the subject. Learning to accept that is critical to a positive interpretation of the nihilism that Meteion suffers from. I don't have an issue with her conclusion that existence is meaningless by default. I agree with it. I'm just okay with that, and make my decisions unburdened by the inevitable futility of their consequences. ie: Worry about who and what I can worry about, and take the rest as it comes, even if it cannot be stopped. This discrepancy in the conclusion is why I didn't have an issue killing Endsinger at the end of the plot, outside of "We will die if we don't." of course.

Yeesh, okay, that does sound a little bit edgy, but I swear it's more acceptance.

[OM3GA-Z3RO]

Oop, nope. Guess I was wrong. Unfortunate, but it looked so similar...

Anyway, this is a really tragic person, and I really do empathize with them, being somewhat of a reformed edgelord myself.

It's kinda sad actually, because I really do think it's a good recipe for some philosophical musings, and there is a conversation that could be made for Meteion/Endsinger actually being objectively correct considering the circumstances of Dead Ends or the horrifying nature of things like The Great Filter, at least before they did the Beast Tribes and a galactic conflict that ended no less than three civilizations, whether from eternal threats (Omicrons) or internal strife (Karelians) and eternal nihilism were solved by going to Space Starbucks with your mortal enemies.

It's just not the best that based on their previous posts we can't have that conversation of Endsinger being right, at least not in this thread, because no one here is going to take this person seriously. I think Endsinger is based, personally.

Stay in therapy and stay medicated. It's for the best. The alternative isn't better, in my opinion. Also, please stop making alts to come back here for your own sake, you are easily memed on, and it's just not worth your time or the mental load. I doubt you're trolling, because you're too committed to the bit. Like, take care of yourself, seriously.

Lol wait what? You think I am an alt?

I did it reddit!

But in serious honesty, being edgy and brooding and thinking that the importance of a character that you never felt to build a relationship with not counting as a death poll and having that viewpoint in RL is not a good mindset. This is a forum about gaming, people don't want to feel bummed down we don't want talk about killing ourselves or offing others lives and talk how society is a cold, dark, dreary reality. People like that need to search for help, speading "edge" can hurt someone mentally.

[Renalt]

Seriously you act like you asked ChatGPT to make you into all the negative goth stereotypes and dial it up to 11. I refuse to believe you are a real person.

But if the SLIGHTEST of chances you are. Get help. I mean it.