Eureka Orthos is a Dead Queue in NA

[Theodric]

And are dead now, which is reason to not go ahead with another one.

I enjoyed them, as did others. There's ways to future proof content outright or later tweak it to account for not being as busy as it was during its prime.

It's often suggested by some of the 'superfans' of this game that the 'negative' posters don't enjoy anything about the game and yet quite often those same 'superfans' devote much of their time to demanding that anything they, themselves, do not like should removed, changed or never show up again.

I don't do high end raiding, that doesn't mean I think high end raids should be removed from the game. I very much enjoy content that brings the server together like Bozja, Eureka and Ishgard Reconstruction and I'd like to see more of that sort of thing.

[Severak]

Did you just say Ishguard Restoration is dead? You are not much of a crafter are you? Every time I wander into that area I see at minimum 10 people crafting and the Diadem always is full of people. This includes 3-4am EST US. Not uncommon to see 15+ prim time. I poke at it from time to time, give some of the special dye to sprouts and newbies or grab mounts for friends/fc mates. Easily a month or three between time there and always people working away.

Crafting focused things NEVER die. If they did this for Bozja it would have been just as filled, especially if it was filled with as much things to buy.

We need more Heavensward style relics. The special zones you have to grind in are for the birds, they are complete crap. Bozja is made worse with the dungeons not being a part of DF. They really and honestly need to retune how you get these relics so they are grindable in dungeons/roulettes/open world fates. If the content is not packed, every time a dungeon pops it is bursting to max capacity to fill every slot, time to rebalance it and make it a DF dungeon. Wither that or make it scale so any class can solo it with sub optimal play if you are 4 or less in it.

[RitsukoSonoda]

There was also stuff like relic related content that gave some players incentive to revisit the older more niche content. Something we haven't gotten in Endwalker as the relic has basically just been do the Hildibrand questline then spend the poetics tomes handed out in piles by the game for doing any lv50+ content on something besides crafting materials to post on the marketboard.

[Iscah]

There was also stuff like relic related content that gave some players incentive to revisit the older more niche content. Something we haven't gotten in Endwalker as the relic has basically just been do the Hildibrand questline then spend the poetics tomes handed out in piles by the game for doing any lv50+ content on something besides crafting materials to post on the marketboard.

In the long run, it will be nice to have the relic weapons as a new poetics dump.

Maybe the level 100 relics will need bits from Orthos? Or even a final step in these level 90 relics.

[VelKallor]

I enjoyed them, as did others. There's ways to future proof content outright or later tweak it to account for not being as busy as it was during its prime.

How?

It's often suggested by some of the 'superfans' of this game that the 'negative' posters don't enjoy anything about the game and yet quite often those same 'superfans' devote much of their time to demanding that anything they, themselves, do not like should removed, changed or never show up again.

Oh? Who said that and where? As I recall, my commentary on why they didnt do one this time was over the future proofing issue. I never suggested removing it.

I don't do high end raiding, that doesn't mean I think high end raids should be removed from the game. I very much enjoy content that brings the server together like Bozja, Eureka and Ishgard Reconstruction and I'd like to see more of that sort of thing

Reconstruction is still very much used to level crafting, I see people there every day. but how would you "future proof" these exploratory zones?

[Jennah]

Huh, I haven't thought about Eureka Orthos since about 3 days after its release.
Thanks for reminding me it exists, OP.

[Theodric]

There's a lot of potential ways to breathe new life into older content. The easiest option would be to make use of the carrot on a stick feature - periodically adding new rewards to vendors in older content to funnel players there. This could include minions, mounts, glamour, emotes and housing furniture to suit a variety of player tastes.

Adding the dungeon and raid duties required to advance through the Bozja storyline to the duty finder as another poster pointed out is also a great way to future proof the place.

[VelKallor]

There's a lot of potential ways to breathe new life into older content. The easiest option would be to make use of the carrot on a stick feature - periodically adding new rewards to vendors in older content to funnel players there. This could include minions, mounts, glamour, emotes and housing furniture to suit a variety of player tastes.

Not an answer. Rewards are all well and good, but that isnt future proofing. Future proofing is going to have to be adapting it to be SOLOABLE, at this moment Bozja is NOT soloable, Eureka needs, as has been suggested, a mega - echo so the harder mobs can be managed.

Adding the dungeon and raid duties required to advance through the Bozja storyline to the duty finder as another poster pointed out is also a great way to future proof the place

....and exactly how do people get help in doing these? Duty finder is fine, a 3 - 5 hr queue because no one wants to do it is a problem.

[AwesomeJr44]

There's a lot of potential ways to breathe new life into older content. The easiest option would be to make use of the carrot on a stick feature - periodically adding new rewards to vendors in older content to funnel players there. This could include minions, mounts, glamour, emotes and housing furniture to suit a variety of player tastes.

Adding the dungeon and raid duties required to advance through the Bozja storyline to the duty finder as another poster pointed out is also a great way to future proof the place.

I think these are fantastic ideas. New rewards means more people in the content. More people in the content makes it easier to complete it. I'd certainly enjoy having reasons to go back to things like Eureka or Bozja other than relics, and I think a lot of other people would too.

Not an answer. Rewards are all well and good, but that isnt future proofing. Future proofing is going to have to be adapting it to be SOLOABLE, at this moment Bozja is NOT soloable, Eureka needs, as has been suggested, a mega - echo so the harder mobs can be managed.

If you add new rewards to old content, people will go back to that old content to earn the rewards. (It should be noted that this would require a new currency type to prevent people from simply using what they have stockpiled) It doesn't necessarily have to be made soloable.

Ive done some of Eureka, and as I am managing okay so far, the further I get the harder it is not to get clobbered repeatedly. Eureka and Bozja were created as group content, not solo. Regardless of what rewards, the issue will be in seeing that there are enough people available to make it doable.

Perhaps it's a different beast over on Kujata, but whenever I do Eureka over on Aether, there's a pretty decent amount of people.

[Voltyblast]

If you add new rewards to old content, people will go back to that old content to earn the rewards. (It should be noted that this would require a new currency type to prevent people from simply using what they have stockpiled) It doesn't necessarily have to be made soloable.

This quote reminded me of a discussion I had with someone a long time ago where, in essence, we were exactly talking about that but also regarding the cash shop items and how such focus is put on making items for the cash shop - which is another thing entirely, but follow me here - and my idea was "well, why not add these new things into current OR older content instead of cash shop? People do older content all the time, people constantly repeat ad nauseam that "old content is still content", so there are no negatives on making, say, any of the cash shops mounts an actual in-game reward, right? Literally decillions of people do older content for mounts to this day, so adding new mounts to older content would just be a beneficial thing, right?"

I don't remember the exact answer, mainly because it was an extremely hard logic to follow and gave me a migraine, but they essentially said that "unless it was meant for NEW raids and NEW content- which will become old and therefore, older content - it would simply lose all the value it has and it wouldn't be good, especially when people can solo old content, and if everyone can get <item> that easily then it has no valuable purpose."
Or something along those lines.

So in other words, it's better to add new glamours, new mounts, and new emotes in the cash shop for a fixed price, so that everyone can purchase it, and have no value because everyone can easily earn it with money, rather than just have it in older content (i also mentioned criterion, which could really use extra rewards as of now!), let people play older content that they already do but with an additional reason, maybe enjoy older content even more via synch if it's a required, and have less value instead. In other words, no value is better than low value...I just quit the conversation because I was having a headache, but apparently adding new rewards in older content isn't a good idea, despite said people still do old content for said rewards.

Oh, and there was also the "theme" factor where it's far more important to add rewards that "fit" the theme, rather than just HAVING the damn reward in it. But by then I had a headache and I had to carry on and get an aspirin. Just unbelievable what I had to read...