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    Make Public transportation in Eorzea Free

    Right now you can farm hunts and collect aetheryte tickets which remove the cost of teleports, not only are they faster but also encouraged via this system.

    Now teleporting and fast travel culture will likely never go away, but perhaps throw a bone or encourage players to use the actual game transportation systems that have been built for it.

    These systems used to have real ships, cutscenes and an atmosphere associated with them. They have all been removed.

    I know the game is designed around fast travel now a days unfortunately but at least try to keep the facade that this is a real living world where people use transportation methods other than teleportation everywhere and encourage the use of those system by at least providing some benefits to using it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ath192 View Post
    Right now you can farm hunts and collect aetheryte tickets which remove the cost of teleports, not only are they faster but also encouraged via this system.

    Now teleporting and fast travel culture will likely never go away, but perhaps throw a bone or encourage players to use the actual game transportation systems that have been built for it.

    These systems used to have real ships, cutscenes and an atmosphere associated with them. They have all been removed.

    I know the game is designed around fast travel now a days unfortunately but at least try to keep the facade that this is a real living world where people use transportation methods other than teleportation everywhere and encourage the use of those system by at least providing some benefits to using it.

    Saying it used to have them is true. It hasn't had them since 2012 though. Before the relaunch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    Saying it used to have them is true. It hasn't had them since 2012 though. Before the relaunch.
    Which is kind of backwards in my opinion given players have unlimited use of teleports in game pretty much. Removing the "slow" and "old school" ships that actually sailed the sky serves no other purpose than giving players the middle finger when they want immersion in the overworld. Convenience is always a tap of the teleportation menu away. Removing them was completely unnecessary.

    At least we still have some of the cutscenes in the ARR airships but its clear they're too lazy to copy and paste them and make a new one for the airship routes added each expansion. MSQ quests having you use them could still just port you to the next dock so new players aren't affected.

    There is a way where everyone can win here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ath192 View Post
    These systems used to have real ships, cutscenes and an atmosphere associated with them. They have all been removed.
    There was 1 real boat service in 1.0 that was EXTREMELY bare bones, with less functionality than FFXI's ships. All you could do was walk around an empty boat for 15 minutes. Sometimes there was a lightning storm. I didn't miss it at all when it was gone.

    The airships in 1.0 were never real though and were just the same cutscene that exists in ARR-onwards. To make it even worse, you still had to wait for them to come into the dock because they had "plans" of making it real but never went through with them. It would be nice if you could see flying airships from the ground like you could in 1.0 though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ath192 View Post
    Right now you can farm hunts and collect aetheryte tickets which remove the cost of teleports, not only are they faster but also encouraged via this system.

    Now teleporting and fast travel culture will likely never go away, but perhaps throw a bone or encourage players to use the actual game transportation systems that have been built for it.

    These systems used to have real ships, cutscenes and an atmosphere associated with them. They have all been removed.

    I know the game is designed around fast travel now a days unfortunately but at least try to keep the facade that this is a real living world where people use transportation methods other than teleportation everywhere and encourage the use of those system by at least providing some benefits to using it.
    They have kept the façade. Those transportations options are still there. What few cutscenes exist are still there if the player hasn't disabled them in their Character Configuration options.

    I don't have an objection to removing the fee since it would mostly benefit the low level players without much gil who are reliant on those things in certain areas.

    Thinking that removing the cost is going to get max level players to change their travel habits is naive at best. Fast travel (which has a lore explanation attached for why we are using it while most NPCs don't) is always going to win out over saving a tiny amount of gil. Most players want time efficiency, not sightseeing. Those who want the latter will do it when they want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Thinking that removing the cost is going to get max level players to change their travel habits is naive at best.
    As usual you have the completely wrong interpretation of what I'm going for here. This is for people who want these sorts of things in game and have them be money inefficient as well as time inefficient is a punishment. Not to change the teleport preference of most players. Do let me know if you have any good ideas though.
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    Last edited by Ath192; 07-09-2023 at 06:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    They have kept the façade. Those transportations options are still there. What few cutscenes exist are still there if the player hasn't disabled them in their Character Configuration options.

    I don't have an objection to removing the fee since it would mostly benefit the low level players without much gil who are reliant on those things in certain areas.

    Thinking that removing the cost is going to get max level players to change their travel habits is naive at best. Fast travel (which has a lore explanation attached for why we are using it while most NPCs don't) is always going to win out over saving a tiny amount of gil. Most players want time efficiency, not sightseeing. Those who want the latter will do it when they want.
    <rubs hands together, as I'm one of the few who has uldah free location, favorite, and home point. and loves to use the Ferry from uldah to the saucer>


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    When implementing/suggesting ideas, we have to be open enough to the outcomes, reactions, and the why should we even?.

    The need for things, or changes must benefit, unless its a passion project by one dev.(Just like underwater Upper LA Noscea was.)

    People use Vesper Bay <-> Limsa for a few gil saved at times.
    (obviously less frequent now, due to the limited vesper bay tickets the msq gives.)

    RP changes, or uncomfortable changes just causes attention for ire.

    Which not all will understand the endgoal?

    So, for us who have difficulty understanding you intent..,?(jk)

    Could you simplify it?

    Always up for a good idea conversation
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    Last edited by GTK0HLK; 07-09-2023 at 06:25 AM.

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    I'd love trains... I'd love to ride one and look at the scenery as we go.
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    When you can earn 12,000 gil for ten minutes of work running a roulette as the role in need, the 40-gil ferry is basically free already – and teleport costs aren't worth fretting over, either.

    That said, my main issue with "public transport" in this game is the increasing uselessness of the chocobo network, which used to be the slower and cheaper option and went to places that didn't have teleport access, but now only runs from aetheryte locations and can be more expensive than just teleporting there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ath192 View Post
    As usual you have the completely wrong interpretation of what I'm going for here. This is for people who want these sorts of things in game and have them be money inefficient as well as time inefficient is a punishment. Not to change the teleport preference of most players. Do let me know if you have any good ideas though.
    They are here just to argue against any and every change and feedback proposed. Pray, pay those who post in bad faith no mind. I concur that such transportation methods should be revitalized for the players who enjoy RP (real RP) and immersion.
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    Dealing with bad-faith forum posters who tell you to quit or say your concern is in the minority:
    1. Do not engage in their bad-faith attacks.
    2. Warn others of their bad-faith if they have a long history of it.
    3. Continue the productive conversation and silently report them for personal attacks.
    Be firm but polite, recognize their tactics and don't fall into their traps.

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