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    Hrothgar expanded naming conventions (unofficial)

    Make sure to read the official naming conventions in addition to these. A preview page from the Encyclopedia Eorzea III also provides further information.

    Text provided here in quote boxes has been quoted from the official conventions, but I have not copied all of the text. (And I changed the curly quote marks to straight ones and moved punctuation outside of the quote marks because I can.)

    In addition to the Bozjan culture that is officially Hrothgar culture and the source of their naming conventions, there is also a population of the same race found in Tural and known as the Xbr'aal. This guide will not cover those names, but a discussion can be found here: Thoughts on Xbr'aal Naming Conventions.


    PART 1: NAMING CONVENTIONS

    Basic name format

    Hrothgar names consist of a personal forename and a surname that indicates social status of Helion or Lost, along with your individual "clan" (but not in the way the character creator uses the term).

    For a playable character, as a travelling adventurer, your status will almost certainly be Lost.


    Helions and the Lost - choosing a name according to your character's situation

    The first thing to note is that the "Helion" and "Lost" categories in the character creator are not actually clans and do not line up with what the terms mean in lore. Hrothgar of any appearance can belong to either category and may shift from one to the other depending on their life circumstances: Helions being in active service to a queen, while the Lost are so named because they have lost their queen. This social status is indicated by the format of their surname.

    "Clans" and Surnames

    Though Hrothgar form their own clan-like communities, they, as a race, cannot be divided into distinct "clans" with separate traditions and features. They are instead most often sorted into the categories of "Helion" and "Lost", according to their social status─but these labels, too, were imposed by scholars of the other races rather than the Hrothgar themselves, and have unfortunately led to certain misconceptions, such as the popular belief that Helions always have golden fur.

    - Helions
    Helions are those Hrothgar currently living in service to a queen, and were so named for how their lives appear to revolve around the queen much as celestial bodies circle the sun.

    - The Lost
    The Lost are those Hrothgar who have found themselves bereft of their queen and ─ typically after a lengthy period of mourning ─ struck out on their own.
    The Encyclopedia Eorzea page expands on this, making some adjustments allowing for the addition of playable female characters:

    Helions

    Helions are so named for the way their lives all but revolve around their queen's needs, much as lesser stars might circle their sun. These loyal subjects settle in the lands where their monarch resides and form a community of like-minded kin. Though this social structure is often described solely in terms of a queen and her male subjects, young women not old enough to be queens in their own right, as well as women who choose to remain part of another queen's community, are also considered Helions within Hrothgar society.

    Order is the guiding principle of Helion culture. With a queen at its center, the community obeys a strict code of conduct, with each member carrying out their assigned roles. A female child is instructed in her duties from birth and, once she comes of age, a segment of the population will break away to form a new community under this new queen. Under certain circumstances, the queen may welcome others from outside her home clan, including the Lost.

    The Lost

    These are the Hrothgar who have found themselves bereft of a queen and ─ typically after a lengthy period of mourning ─ have struck out on their own. One can assume with a fair degree of certainty that any male Hrothgar encountered beyond Bozja's borders are of the Lost, as they are far more likely than the Helions to abandon their settlements and embrace a nomadic lifestyle. Female Lost are also known to exist ─ individuals who have, for whatever reason, renounced or refused the ruler's mantle to pursue life on their own terms.

    In contrast to the Helions' well-defined social order, the culture of the Lost is characterized by chaos. As many have lived their lives adhering to clear roles and strict laws, the sudden loss of structure must be disorienting at best. Many Lost fully embrace the nomadic lifestyle, committing themselves to the search for new purpose. This may mean exacting vengeance for a slain queen, or seeking to honor their late ruler by carrying out her final wishes. Each of the Lost, it is said, is lost in their own way.

    Lore questions not explored to my knowledge:

    Does a new queen ever take over from an old one directly? Are there lineages of queeens or are they individuals whose subjects always disperse once the queen dies?

    Do the Lost generally seek out a new queen or will they stay lost permanently or for generations?

    What are the possible ways that a queen is "lost"? Death being the obvious one, but the lorebook entry's comment on female Lost having "renounced or refused" their position suggests that they may abdicate or even simply flee. Are there other circumstances? What if a queen was alive and willing but held captive by enemies?


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    PART 2: NAME LISTS

    Note: All names have been re-typed by hand. There is a small chance of spelling errors or incorrect alphabetical order.


    FORENAMES

    The in-game random name generator provides separate forename lists for Helions and the Lost, but since there is no strict line between the two, this seems to be simply a way of providing more variety of names overall. The official naming conventions page provides a single list of forename examples that mixes names from both lists with no indication of which is which, so I have merged the full lists here.

    Hrothgar forenames are similar to old Slavic names, though certain lexemes differ─most notably, the Hrothgar word for "glory" is "thgar" rather than "slav", so the former proliferates where one might be used to seeing the latter in real-world names (e.g. "Vladithgar").
    Given that the names are derived from real-world names, it may be worth checking if the name has a direct translation and meaning. You can also take additional names from real-world name lists.

    Male forenames

    Adis
    Ajdin
    Andriya
    Asmir

    Bajsaljen
    Bazhen
    Belun
    Berimir
    Bernardin
    Blaz
    Bogdan
    Bogomil
    Bojan
    Bolek
    Boras
    Boric
    Borimir
    Borna
    Borsch
    Bozek
    Bozidar
    Branimir
    Brathgar
    Brondy
    Bronithgar
    Budimir

    Cachi
    Casimir
    Cededa
    Ctibor
    Cvetko
    Czethgar

    Dabog
    Dalek
    Damir
    Daren
    Darko
    Davor
    Desimir
    Devyatko
    Deyan
    Dmitar
    Dob
    Dobrica
    Dobry
    Domagoi
    Dragomir
    Drasko
    Drazan
    Drzithghar
    Dubynya
    Dusan
    Duscha

    Emerik

    Frathopan

    Goran
    Gorynya
    Gostimil
    Gradimir
    Grugur

    Haris
    Hrvoye

    Iljko
    Ivan
    Ivanis
    Ivica
    Izet

    Jareck
    Jaromir
    Jarrick
    Juraj

    Kazek
    Kocelj
    Koschey
    Kresimir
    Kriv
    Krsto
    Kulin

    Ladimir
    Ladithgar
    Ladio
    Lirim
    Loeman
    Lovro
    Luchezar
    Lubomir
    Ludevit
    Lutomis

    Marsak
    Matej
    Matija
    Matko
    Mecek
    Mihalo
    Mikac
    Miladin
    Milenko
    Milorad
    Milovan
    Milutin
    Miodrag
    Mirothgar
    Mirko
    Mistithgar
    Mithgar
    Mladen
    Mutimir
    Mylon

    Nekras
    Nenad
    Ninothgar
    Novak

    Osorio
    Ostromir

    Pavao
    Petar
    Preben
    Pribina
    Putimir

    Raclaw
    Radigost
    Radimir
    Radisa
    Radovan
    Ratibor
    Ratimir
    Ratmir
    Razumnik
    Rostik

    Sead
    Semir
    Sinisa
    Sjeros
    Sladkey
    Slathac
    Slobodan
    Stanik
    Stanimir
    Stas
    Stjepan
    Sudimir
    Svante
    Svatomir
    Svetithgar
    Svetozar
    Svyatogor

    Taman
    Tanix
    Tihomir
    Tikhomir
    Tilo
    Tomithgar
    Toplica
    Trpimir

    Ulfo

    Vaclav
    Vadim
    Velibor
    Velimir
    Velithgar
    Vencel
    Veselin
    Visethgar
    Vladan
    Vladimir
    Vladithgar
    Vlastimil
    Vojin
    Volos
    Voron
    Voynomir
    Vsemil
    Vsethgar
    Vsevolod
    Vtorak
    Vuk
    Vyachko

    Waldemar
    Wenceslas

    Xeven

    Yaromir
    Yaropol
    Yarothgar
    Yov

    Zdethgar
    Zdravko
    Zelimir
    Zhdan
    Ziv
    Zlatan
    Zlatomir
    Zoran
    Zorya
    Zvonimir

    Note: some names have multiple spellings included in the list – Visethgar and Vsethgar, Ratimir and Ratmir, Jareck and Jarrick.


    Female forenames

    Anatalya
    Anov

    Branka

    Deanna
    Dita

    Ella
    Enya
    Eraya

    Hinka

    Iniva
    Inivi --- uncertain, see note
    Irrya

    Jolla
    Jova

    Lanta
    Lanya
    Lentya
    Liana
    Lina
    Liora
    Liuba
    Lirya
    Lubov
    Lunya

    Maev
    Marya
    Milan
    Milda
    Mira
    Mirka
    Misija
    Mov

    Nata
    Nevembya
    Ninta

    Olana
    Ona
    Ova

    Pella
    Petya
    Pirya

    Ratya
    Redna
    Ridni
    Rodica
    Rolva

    Slana
    Slendi
    Sloba
    Stalya
    Stana
    Steva
    Stolla
    Svana
    Svena

    Tessa
    Tilvi
    Tira
    Tolna

    Ulga
    Utya

    Veita
    Vesna
    Veta
    Vira
    Votya

    Wenya
    Wira

    Yanav
    Yorva
    Yurya

    Zela
    Zetina
    Ziva
    Zlata
    Zora
    Zorya


    * Inivi is derived from the surname Inivisch, but is not confirmed in the female forename list. However, Iniva is a confirmed forename.

    Female names can be derived from the lists of surnames and the few female characters we are aware of - specifically, Misija and Nevembya (i.e. Queen Gunnhildr's name before taking the throne, as noted in the field record). Regardless of actual race, the names are distinctly Hrothgar.


    SURNAMES

    Hrothgar surnames are traditionally based on the name of the clan’s female, or "queen". If the queen is still living, as is the case when it comes to Helions, her name will be prefaced by "A", meaning "on" in the sense of "in service to", to form the male surname of her subjects.

    [Lost] surnames are altered by removing the initial "A" and appending "sch", meaning "lost", to their erstwhile queen’s name.
    While technically a surname could be constructed from any female name and the appropriate addition (A- for Helions and -sch for the Lost), the official random name generator only uses a small pool of specific names for the Helions. Logically this might indicate the full number of queens that currently exist. The examples in the official naming conventions seem to be the full range found in the generator, although two more surnames are found from characters in the Bozja storyline.

    Surnames of the Lost are more varied and include names not listed in the official examples, but would still act as a record of recently lost queens.

    Of note, the four checkpoints on the Bozjan southern front seem to be named after lost queens, as the same names are found in the Lost surnames.

    Overall, unless you have a specific character concept in mind, it is probably most accurate to stick with one of the established surnames.


    Helion surnames (queen's name prefixed with A)

    Adeanna
    Ajolla
    Alubov
    Amarya
    Amilan
    Amira
    Amirka
    Amov
    Apella
    Aredna
    Arodica
    Astana
    Atessa
    Astolla
    Asvana
    Atolna
    Avesna
    Avira
    Ayurya
    Azora
    Azorya
    Azetina


    Lost surnames (lost queen's name suffixed with -sch)

    Anatalyasch
    Anovsch
    Brankasch
    Ditasch
    Ellasch
    Enyasch
    Erayasch
    Hinkasch
    Inivisch
    Irryasch
    Jovasch
    Lantasch
    Lentyasch
    Lianasch
    Linasch
    Liorasch
    Liubasch
    Lunyasch
    Maevsch
    Mildasch
    Natasch
    Nintasch
    Olanasch
    Onasch
    Ovasch
    Petyasch
    Piryasch
    Ratyasch
    Ridnisch
    Rolvasch
    Slanasch
    Slobasch
    Slendisch
    Stalyasch
    Stevasch
    Svanasch
    Svenasch --- misspelt "Svenach" in generator
    Tilvisch
    Tirasch
    Ulgasch
    Utyasch
    Vetasch
    Veitasch
    Votyasch
    Wenyasch
    Wirasch
    Yanavsch
    Yorvasch
    Zelasch
    Zlatasch


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    PART 3: MISCELLANEOUS NOTES

    Known characters with surnames (spoilers for Save the Queen)

    Bajsaljen Ulgasch
    Blaz Azetina
    Dabog Inivisch
    Lovro Slanasch
    Marsak Apella
    Misija Votyasch
    Nevembya Votyasch*
    Rostik Liubasch
    Stanik Alubov
    Velibor Azetina
    Xeven Svanasch

    * giving Nevembya a Lost surname seems to be an oversight, probably with the intent of linking her to Misija rather than following conventions, as we knew she was at least in active service to a queen and then died as a queen herself.


    Forename lists separated by clan

    Name lists taken from Gamer Escape: https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/H...nventions/List

    Helion male forenames:
    Asmir
    Bazhen
    Berimir
    Bogdan
    Bogomil
    Bojan
    Borimir
    Borna
    Bozidar
    Branimir
    Brondy
    Budimir
    Cachi
    Cededa
    Ctibor
    Daren
    Devyatko
    Deyan
    Dmitar
    Dobry
    Dragomir
    Drzithghar
    Duscha
    Frathopan
    Gorynya
    Grugur
    Hrvoye
    Ivica
    Izet
    Jareck
    Jarrick
    Juraj
    Kazek
    Krsto
    Ladimir
    Ladio
    Loeman
    Lovro
    Luchezar
    Lutomis
    Matija
    Mihalo
    Miladin
    Milorad
    Mirothgar
    Mistithgar
    Mladen
    Mutimir
    Mylon
    Nekras
    Nenad
    Ninothgar
    Osorio
    Pavao
    Petar
    Preben
    Putimir
    Radimir
    Radisa
    Ratibor
    Ratimir
    Ratmir
    Razumnik
    Semir
    Sinisa
    Stjepan
    Sudimir
    Svante
    Svatomir
    Svetithgar
    Svetozar
    Taman
    Tihomir
    Tomithgar
    Toplica
    Vadim
    Velibor
    Velithgar
    Veselin
    Visethgar
    Vladithgar
    Vojin
    Voron
    Vsethgar
    Vtorak
    Xeven
    Yaromir
    Yaropol
    Yarothgar
    Zhdan
    Zlatan
    Zoran
    Zvonimir

    Lost male forenames:
    Adis
    Ajdin
    Andriya
    Belun
    Bernardin
    Blaz
    Bolek
    Boras
    Boric
    Borsch
    Bozek
    Brathgar
    Bronithgar
    Casimir
    Cvetko
    Czethgar
    Dalek
    Damir
    Darko
    Davor
    Desimir
    Dob
    Dobrica
    Domagoi
    Drasko
    Drazan
    Dubynya
    Dusan
    Emerik
    Goran
    Gostimil
    Gradimir
    Haris
    Iljko
    Ivan
    Ivanis
    Jaromir
    Kocelj
    Koschey
    Kresimir
    Kriv
    Kulin
    Ladithgar
    Lirim
    Lubomir
    Ludevit
    Matej
    Matko
    Mecek
    Mikac
    Milenko
    Milovan
    Milutin
    Miodrag
    Mirko
    Mithgar
    Novak
    Ostromir
    Pribina
    Raclaw
    Radigost
    Radovan
    Rostik
    Sead
    Sladkey
    Slathac
    Slobodan
    Stanik
    Stanimir
    Stas
    Svyatogor
    Tanix
    Tikhomir
    Tilo
    Trpimir
    Ulfo
    Vaclav
    Velimir
    Vencel
    Vladan
    Vladimir
    Vlastimil
    Volos
    Voynomir
    Vsemil
    Vsevolod
    Vuk
    Vyachko
    Waldemar
    Wenceslas
    Yov
    Zdethgar
    Zdravko
    Zelimir
    Ziv
    Zlatomir
    Zorya


    Character names not from generator:
    Bajsaljen
    Dabog
    Marsak
    Sjeros

    Misija
    Nevembya


    Possible future updates:

    A comparison of in-game Hrothgar names and real Slavic names would hopefully search out the other rules for altering real names into Hrothgar names.

    I may add name translations if I get around to it.

    Filing for later when we get to discussing Turali Hrothgar: A Reddit thread on the history/familiarity of cats in the Americas, with a comment mentioning some symbolism of cat-headed people in South American cultures. Haven't delved into the links yet.

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    Update history:

    4 August 2024: Added female names Hinka, Iniva, Lanya, Lirya and Ziva; surname Hinkasch.
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    Last edited by Iscah; 08-04-2024 at 03:13 AM.

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    Bumping because this is a hot topic currently, with the recent reveal of female Hrothgar.
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    Woo! I made my Hrothgar alt shortly after Endwalker came out with the intention of using a fantasia as soon as female hrothgar become playable. After looking at the original Hroth naming conventions, I guessed at Maev Slanasch as a lore friendly female Hrothgar name. Glad to see that I appear to have guessed well - thanks for compiling this!
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