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  1. #1
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    Pyitoechito's Avatar
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    Baragara Nazzlohsyn
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    Blue Mage Lv 80

    The rating-based achievements are actively killing all the fun of Doman Mahjong

    Progress towards the rating-based achievements can backtrack, so losses feel exponentially worse and wins start to feel empty as you take one step forward and two steps back with each game played.

    Quick matches are also the primary way people play Mahjong most days, with it being extremely rare to see a full match. Quick matches are much more luck-based on getting wins, as you can't play as defensively/strategically over a short match.

    As an idea, something like "place first x times in player matches" would be a far better replacement for the rating-based achievements simply because achievement progress would then only be in a positive direction with no backtracking. Even something as time-consuming as 10~15 first-places for the orchestrion and 50 for the title/adventurer plate decorations would still be superior to the back-and-forth-but-mostly-backwards nightmare of playing against the rating system.

    They wouldn't even have to replace the achievement requirement. They could simply add an alternative acquiring method like "Get a rating of 1600 or place first x times in player matches."

    I just want to enjoy Doman Mahjong again while going after the achievements that they added themselves to attract people into playing Doman Mahjong in the first place. Mahjong is really fun, so please stop ruining it with rating.
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    Jain Farstrider
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    Are there any other achievements that can work backwards? Or is this unique to the game?
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  3. #3
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    Quote Originally Posted by dspguy View Post
    Are there any other achievements that can work backwards?
    PvP tiers, I guess.
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    Player JamieRose's Avatar
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    Yeah, I'm not a fan. They should really have the achievements based on games played. Not these ridiculous ranked ratings that no one can really achieve.
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    Maybe someone thought that it would mirror how volatile Mahjong itself can be? Likely that the devs responsible are much better at Mahjong than most of us due to sheer exposure, and didn't see it so clearly as a problem.

    Can definitely see how it could seem out of place and oddly brutal compared to most achievements, but correct me if I'm wrong -- is your rating not used for matchmaking with other players?

    (This thread makes me think of that Kiwami 2 sidestory with the absurd Mahjong requirements that most westerners I know cheated (within the allowed nature of the game) to complete.)
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    A Healer Kinda Girl in a Green-DPS World

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    The rating-based achievements are awesome—the titles mean a lot more if you have to actually be exceptional to wear them.
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    Player JamieRose's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by GayRobot View Post
    The rating-based achievements are awesome—the titles mean a lot more if you have to actually be exceptional to wear them.
    This statement tells me that you either already have the achievements and don't care if anyone else gets them, or you're a nodding yes-man who agrees with everything Squeenix does regardless of how inane it might be.
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  8. #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamieRose View Post
    This statement tells me that you either already have the achievements and don't care if anyone else gets them, or you're a nodding yes-man who agrees with everything Squeenix does regardless of how inane it might be.
    I have Mahjong Enthusiast, but not Mahjong Master (getting there), and I have disagreed with almost every decision Square has made for the last several years, including decisions regarding Doman Mahjong. (Why are Novice room time controls so slow?)

    The Mahjong titles are fun oddities—they're some of the rarest titles in the game, rarer than every Ultimate title and several completely luck-based nightmare grinds, because they combine an unpopular side activity with a high skill requirement. When I see someone wearing them, I instantly know that they're one of those weirdos who log into a catgirl simulator to try unnecessarily hard in a board game for old people, and I smile; I'm one of those weirdos, too!

    The rarity of the titles lets me make a statement about myself, and I think that's neat; if they could be acquired by mindless grinding, they would mean less to me, and probably to a lot of other people wearing them. I want the opportunity to work hard for something.

    (Nothing is stopping anyone from simply learning the game and playing better, anyway.)
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    Last edited by GayRobot; 07-19-2023 at 05:52 PM.

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    Schrodinger's Cat
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    Ramuh
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    The Mahjong rating design in this game is very, very problematic.
    - Anyone can reset their rating anytime to pollute the "rating pool," making the system pointless. I've seen many Mahjong Masters playing below 1,600. Some of them might have dropped there by losing but I don't believe everyone is.
    - From my matches around high-rating rounds, if you're up against three low-rating players, you're doomed. Winning as 1st place will net you about ~12 rating, while being the 4th will cut you down by as high as 40 rating. Combine this with the previous fact and imagine how unfair the matchmaking can be.
    - There is no "anonymous mode" in Mahjong games. Guess what, I've seen people in a discord channel helping each other get a win. Think about the nasty possibilities when someone is allowed to trade wins.

    There are so many factors influencing whether you will get that final title, and "skill" only plays a very, very small part.
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  10. #10
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    Velvet Eruyt
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    Lich
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    Bard Lv 90
    I know of several people have actively win-traded in the past for rewards, it's just a miserable experience all round tbh
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