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  1. #41
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    MistakeNot's Avatar
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    Auriana Redsteele
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya View Post
    ACT requires admin permissions to run, which is a huge red flag.

    It also does not read data from combat log, it requires network permissions to sniff network packets to read data. And the data it cannot read, it just makes it up with an approximation (dot tick damage)

    Recently ACT had to be reworked for ffxiv because sqex changed the way they handled network packets, which should be telling
    None of those things matter in the slightest. None of them make it any easier for SQEX to detect the mod, and none of them change if it is allowed to use it or not.

    SQEX could detect a lot of mods if they chose to create and install client-side code for that purpose. They have chosen not to do so, and until they do they cannot detect the mods.
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  2. #42
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    They're one SQL query away from being able to perma ban 90 percent of all raiders with Alexander, Noclippy or Alphinauds Mom.
    They could sue all repos to be force closed but they don't.
    They - just - don't - care.
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  3. #43
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    Dzian's Avatar
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    Scarlett Dzian
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    People in the support and bug forums post a list of programs running on their PC. Guess which programs are included in the list? SE still doesn't care.
    To be honest. Just having a program running can't really be considered breaking the rules.

    Most gaming devices, mice, keyboards, controllers, these days come with software that could easily auto ate the game for you..

    The GHub software for my logitech mouse let's you write an entire macro of key presses. And set it to repeat infinitely when pressed.. this could in theory allow you to fully automate huge crafting sessions (basically botting)

    But for the average user that software most likely just binds R to mouse 4 or F to mouse 5 or changes the devices RGBs.

    They can't ban you just because a piece of software exists on your system. They'd need evidence of you using it maliciously (according g to there tos)
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  4. #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by drtasteyummy View Post
    Alphinauds Mom.
    ...did someone actually name a third party tool that?
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  5. #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dzian View Post
    To be honest. Just having a program running can't really be considered breaking the rules.

    Most gaming devices, mice, keyboards, controllers, these days come with software that could easily auto ate the game for you..

    The GHub software for my logitech mouse let's you write an entire macro of key presses. And set it to repeat infinitely when pressed.. this could in theory allow you to fully automate huge crafting sessions (basically botting)

    But for the average user that software most likely just binds R to mouse 4 or F to mouse 5 or changes the devices RGBs.

    They can't ban you just because a piece of software exists on your system. They'd need evidence of you using it maliciously (according g to there tos)
    You know exactly what the guy you replied to means.. They obviously talk about ffxiv specific third party tools.
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  6. #46
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    Aergrael Iyrnrael
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    Quote Originally Posted by MistakeNot View Post
    SQEX could detect a lot of mods if they chose to create and install client-side code for that purpose. They have chosen not to do so, and until they do they cannot detect the mods.
    Its a battle they cant win anyway since it relies on strict control on the hardware. As long as the user has control at any of the layers, any security measures above that layer are meaningless since the leak is below it. This means that any security codes can be decyphered outside of the program. Even things like Diffie-Hellman wont help against it since the source values are already readable in memory.

    And once memory can be read, the key also can, and once the key is read, all data is effectively plain text. Which means that whatever wants to read the data simply can. The game cant even detect that the code was read. And in the worst case, if they can control it on the pc itself, a simple switch could be modified to read the network traffic anyway, unless the game decides to block all other network traffic (a no-go solution as this would also block things like spotify/discord/teamspeak/web browsers. people would then consider it being malware).

    The only thing they would achieve with stronger regulation is that most users wont be able to use it, which is ineffective when you specificly want to target the top tier players (which would consider such hardware based solution as viable).

    Note that the market for such tools in gaming is big. Realy big. Its that big that even companies dedicated to countering it barely manage to succeed, and if they do only temporary.
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    I really dont get what this threadn is about, lets say they would go out of their way to now detect all mods used - so ... what? Why would they, whats the conclusion? I dont get OP
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    They could if they want to. But why would SE spend time & effort checking millions of accounts to check for ACT?
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  9. #49
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    Katarh Mest
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    As always, they really only care if you're using it as a bludgeon to hurt other players.
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  10. #50
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinkuno View Post
    You know exactly what the guy you replied to means.. They obviously talk about ffxiv specific third party tools.
    Oh ACT is fine then. That's not FFXIV specific it works with quite a few games...

    See the problem?
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