Meaningless Battles...

[SannaR]

Not a fan of villains getting away because "of course they do" either.

IMO, there are a lot of ways you could make it work:

-the villain has minions run interference while he escapes, or the minions are the main threat while the villain is more of the pokemon master; either way they should be escaping while we are forced to deal with the minions, not post fight.
-the villain plays dead (or is in deed knocked out), but escapes when we let our guard down
-the victory would come at a cost we can't afford; as in an ally/town is critically injured and will die without immediate aid; nuclear option, etc.
-the villain does get to escape, but at their own great cost (loss of important ally; amputation; etc)
-Superman-Problem (The WoL can't be in two places at once, so we are forced to retreat)

But that's why we fought him alone cause everyone else was busy or just lost to a voidsent version of their sibling. We left due to having an injured teammate and our extra protection starting to wane. As I said in my reply to Mollusk the devs want to give us all of this dialogue, but aren't able to have it happen at the speed they want to be showing it. Also what would you have made the trial be? Everyone expected to have a fight against Globez at some point. Sure they could have done it in a solo trial where we'd probably end up losing but then what would the trial be? Since they chose to have them tied to the MSQ.

[kaynide]

But that's why we fought him alone cause everyone else was busy or just lost to a voidsent version of their sibling. We left due to having an injured teammate and our extra protection starting to wane. As I said in my reply to Mollusk the devs want to give us all of this dialogue, but aren't able to have it happen at the speed they want to be showing it. Also what would you have made the trial be? Everyone expected to have a fight against Globez at some point. Sure they could have done it in a solo trial where we'd probably end up losing but then what would the trial be? Since they chose to have them tied to the MSQ.

In part, yes, but I think, specifically for Golbez, it was unsatisfying because we had him beat down, victory music and all. He was kneeling/shrunk in size and should have been easily dealt with. Fraction of a second from victory.

This would have been a good chance to have the fight utilize new or interesting mechanics where Golbez himself is not necessarily the target/victory condition. It could have just been at...10% become a "Survive until your allies can evacuate you!", where Golbez leaves the battlefield and we deal with his mechanics but he's out of reach (think like Xande meteors).

And, at the end of the fight, no victory music, no kneeling Golbez. He's still good to go, albeit roughed up. And we're chasing him, but we're too late to stop Zeromus' awakening. Rest of the scene could play out fine.

Alternatively, just let us kill him- but it not be Golbez at all but one of his Voidsent just looking like Golbez. A bait and switch while Real Golbez is finalizing his summoning/awaking ritual.

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The hard to swallow part is just that: he was kneeling, he was whining "my power!", and he was for all intents and purposes beat. Until he wasn't. That's where it's unsatisfying.

[SannaR]

In part, yes, but I think, specifically for Golbez, it was unsatisfying because we had him beat down, victory music and all. He was kneeling/shrunk in size and should have been easily dealt with. Fraction of a second from victory.

This would have been a good chance to have the fight utilize new or interesting mechanics where Golbez himself is not necessarily the target/victory condition. It could have just been at...10% become a "Survive until your allies can evacuate you!", where Golbez leaves the battlefield and we deal with his mechanics but he's out of reach (think like Xande meteors).

And, at the end of the fight, no victory music, no kneeling Golbez. He's still good to go, albeit roughed up. And we're chasing him, but we're too late to stop Zeromus' awakening. Rest of the scene could play out fine.

Alternatively, just let us kill him- but it not be Golbez at all but one of his Voidsent just looking like Golbez. A bait and switch while Real Golbez is finalizing his summoning/awaking ritual.

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The hard to swallow part is just that: he was kneeling, he was whining "my power!", and he was for all intents and purposes beat. Until he wasn't. That's where it's unsatisfying.

I guess the reason why I wasn't as bothered is how he escapes in IV. Where he literally is shown as just a hand before he steals a crystal and vanishes. Garuda does a similar thing. She says "Noo. No my power." gets the wind crystal popped out of her chest. Then doesn't dissipate soon after like most primals and is about to have a showdown with both Titan and Ifrit only to have Giaus come in with the Ultima Weapon. Up to that point in the story she should be turning into aether dust particles as that's what we saw both Titan and Ifrit do soon after defeat. Yet there she is only looking slightly tired and royally pissed that she had been beaten in a fight. Showing some moxie until the Ultima Weapon sets its sights on her and she tries to flee before getting eaten. And she didn't even have excuse of no active lifestream that Golbez did.

[kaynide]

I guess the reason why I wasn't as bothered is how he escapes in IV. Where he literally is shown as just a hand before he steals a crystal and vanishes. Garuda does a similar thing. She says "Noo. No my power." gets the wind crystal popped out of her chest. Then doesn't dissipate soon after like most primals and is about to have a showdown with both Titan and Ifrit only to have Giaus come in with the Ultima Weapon. Up to that point in the story she should be turning into aether dust particles as that's what we saw both Titan and Ifrit do soon after defeat. Yet there she is only looking slightly tired and royally pissed that she had been beaten in a fight. Showing some moxie until the Ultima Weapon sets its sights on her and she tries to flee before getting eaten. And she didn't even have excuse of no active lifestream that Golbez did.

That is true; and to be fair it is all an expected trope in Japanese media. Like people don't even bat an eye at them/it's shocking if the heroes actually kill an enemy after they are weak/surrendered.

[Hayden]

In part, yes, but I think, specifically for Golbez, it was unsatisfying because we had him beat down, victory music and all. He was kneeling/shrunk in size and should have been easily dealt with. Fraction of a second from victory.

This would have been a good chance to have the fight utilize new or interesting mechanics where Golbez himself is not necessarily the target/victory condition. It could have just been at...10% become a "Survive until your allies can evacuate you!", where Golbez leaves the battlefield and we deal with his mechanics but he's out of reach (think like Xande meteors).

And, at the end of the fight, no victory music, no kneeling Golbez. He's still good to go, albeit roughed up. And we're chasing him, but we're too late to stop Zeromus' awakening. Rest of the scene could play out fine.

Alternatively, just let us kill him- but it not be Golbez at all but one of his Voidsent just looking like Golbez. A bait and switch while Real Golbez is finalizing his summoning/awaking ritual.

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The hard to swallow part is just that: he was kneeling, he was whining "my power!", and he was for all intents and purposes beat. Until he wasn't. That's where it's unsatisfying.

This, all of this.

You get it.

I'm not complaining that we didn't win, I'm complaining that they made our win feel meaningless. We won the battle and lost in the Cut Scene. It's lazy, uninspired and annoying. Even the OG game FFIV did a better job and that game is FULL of "win in the battle, lose the in teh cut scene"

Eh...whacha gonna do I guess.

[Mimilu]

This would have been a good chance to have the fight utilize new or interesting mechanics where Golbez himself is not necessarily the target/victory condition. It could have just been at...10% become a "Survive until your allies can evacuate you!", where Golbez leaves the battlefield and we deal with his mechanics but he's out of reach (think like Xande meteors).

And, at the end of the fight, no victory music, no kneeling Golbez. He's still good to go, albeit roughed up. And we're chasing him, but we're too late to stop Zeromus' awakening. Rest of the scene could play out fine.

Alternatively, just let us kill him- but it not be Golbez at all but one of his Voidsent just looking like Golbez. A bait and switch while Real Golbez is finalizing his summoning/awaking ritual.

Another alternative could have been to have use just fight the transformed Azdaja without Golbez. He could of sic'd her on us, knowing we'd weaken her enough for him to accomplish his plan. (⑅ ‘﹃’ )
I really hope they aren't going to try and wrap this story up before 7.0, it already feels like it's progressing too quickly for me. (●´ω｀●)ゞ

[Deo14]

I really hope they aren't going to try and wrap this story up before 7.0, it already feels like it's progressing too quickly for me. (●´ω｀●)ゞ

Please don't give them idea dumb ideas, let this garbage filler end already. 6.X story is for me on the same level as ARR story.