Data analysis of the current housing situation

[Stormpeaks]

TLDR: People refuse to move to new servers (No real surprise there!)

Housing is still, as it always was, a commodity that people will scoop up, but most likely never utilize. (Do a comparison with Luckybancho census data to check how many FC houses are owned by FC's with 1-4 people)

Places like Materia, you can check out Ward 2 Goblet on every single server, and see that a single Airship/Submersible BOT owns the entirety of the ward and is making ~700m/week from the subs (RMT pog!)

Conclusion? Square Enix don't care. If they did, they would Limit House ownership 1 ONE PER SERVICE ACCOUNT.

I have a large FC house, Medium Personal (And recently demolished two large personals on NA/OCE because i don't use them and somebody else will make better use of them!) And i could still go buy another 20-30 houses with zero competition. If you want a house so badly, Move servers.

FC's should have to pay a tax every month on the house, to prove they are actively playing the game (Even if it is something as simple as 1-5m company credits (Easily obtainable by 1 person in 1 month of playing)) or get evicted.

Uhmmm yeah there are some really big misconceptions here lol

Places like Materia, you can check out Ward 2 Goblet on every single server, and see that a single Airship/Submersible BOT owns the entirety of the ward and is making ~700m/week from the subs (RMT pog!)

You dont make 700m from a single ward, I dont know where you found that, I really dont, but okay, on average a submarine house makes ~~400k/day depending on build, multiplying by 30 houses, that's about 12m per day, making it 84m per week, not anywhere near your 700m per week, even if you do get lucky on RNG which is possible, you'd get maybe 120m a week.

Conclusion? Square Enix don't care. If they did, they would Limit House ownership 1 ONE PER SERVICE ACCOUNT.

Of course they dont care, multiowners have a lot of account, why would they care ?

I have a large FC house, Medium Personal (And recently demolished two large personals on NA/OCE because i don't use them and somebody else will make better use of them!) And i could still go buy another 20-30 houses with zero competition. If you want a house so badly, Move servers.

This tbh, moving to Dynamis is the solution really if you cant get a house, and for EU, Raiden and Sagittarius are both free real estate.

FC's should have to pay a tax every month on the house, to prove they are actively playing the game (Even if it is something as simple as 1-5m company credits (Easily obtainable by 1 person in 1 month of playing)) or get evicted

You understand as you said yourself, submarines make a lot of gil (not 700m as per your claim though, that's absolutely ridiculous and I'd know if it made that much), so this would only be an annoyance to "legit" fcs, having to pay for "tax" in a video game.

[DPZ2]

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What is exactly wrong with calling something "most popular", "prestigious" or "undersirable plots"? If we rate demand, isn't that essentially how much is something popular or (un)desirable for people based on data (at least in this case)? Would simply calling it "most demanded" and "least demanded" be more correct?

If every single large and mid-sized house has been taken up, there can be no "most popular" plot. If plot #29 on every world is sold, and so are plots #1-28, which is most popular? Prestige is a value call, unless you have data on why players selected these sites.

One could better say "full-sized houses in non-FC wards are sold out on all worlds" - which is something you might be able to derive from your data. If "mid-sized houses in non-FC wards are sold out on all worlds" is also true, then which type of housing is "most popular"?

Another interpretation might be that "players with more gil tend to purchase larger houses", which can be inferred considering that the larger the house the higher the cost.

Your data would have to show that plot #16 in Ward 5 is generally empty across all worlds, which is what would occur if something were truly "undesirable" as opposed to simply "unsold".

Hope this clarifies my thinking about the use of those terms in your analysis.

[Reinha]

So you just want me to ignore biggest current problem with EU housing to skew data to make it seem like everything is fine?

So it was the latter: you did just want to gather some data a few days before it became irrelevant. That, plus not mentioning the effects of auto-demolition in your opening post, help paint a false narrative of the EU situation I guess. As you can see, despite still missing demolitions from Feb-June EU servers have hundreds of plots available to private owners. By mid August demolition will have fully caught up to other regions that already have it. Looks like everything is indeed fine.

It would be good if SE focused their resources to fix housing in the region that actually needs a fix, which is NA. EU does not need additional wards and neither do JP or OCE.

[Deo14]

So it was the latter: you did just want to gather some data a few days before it became irrelevant. That, plus not mentioning the effects of auto-demolition in your opening post, help paint a false narrative of the EU situation I guess. As you can see, despite still missing demolitions from Feb-June EU servers have hundreds of plots available to private owners. By mid August demolition will have fully caught up to other regions that already have it. Looks like everything is indeed fine.

It would be good if SE focused their resources to fix housing in the region that actually needs a fix, which is NA. EU does not need additional wards and neither do JP or OCE.

You know, you have all data I provided, how about you make your own analysis, where you can skew everything to make your biased conclusion that <20 private plots per old EU server is fine. Inb4 you say that "actually, if you ignore past years with demolition on and off, it's fine"



Anyways, as promised, I've made before and after to see how many plots got demolished. That number is 6899 plots in both EU DCs. This puts both EU DCs above both Mana and Gaia in housing availability, let's see how will it turn out after few roulette cycles.

Demolished plots:




Google sheet with latest data (6.7.2023, after first wave of EU demolitions)

Google sheet with demolition data

1.7.2023


6.7.2023, after first wave of EU demolitions

[Reinha]

So situation was pretty bad at the very least from over a year ago, and will be bad for one more year. Once demolition finally resumes, we might have ~50 non-FC plots per cycle, similar to NA, but I still wouldn't call that good or non-problematic.

Anyways, as promised, I've made before and after to see how many plots got demolished. That number is 6899 plots in both EU DCs. This puts both EU DCs above both Mana and Gaia in housing availability, let's see how will it turn out after few roulette cycles.

Didn't take a year, did it? It's nice to see you admit EU and JP housing are in a similar state while NA is the only one with problems.

Right now, JP has average of 504, EU with current spike has just 503, so yeah, I'll keep being skeptic, and I will be surprised if this number stays above 300 in few months.

More than 800 houses on most EU worlds. Looks like I was right.

[Deo14]

Didn't take a year, did it? It's nice to see you admit EU and JP housing are in a similar state while NA is the only one with problems.

Yes, it didn't take year, demolition was on and off since EW released, and this initial spike is still lower than 2 JP DCs, you need to wait to see how many of them will actually be left after multiple roulette cycles. I didn't admit what you try to claim I admit, I stand by that data from before demo resumed (and today's), which showed that situation in both EU and NA is terrible, this was conclusion of the analysis, you started to twist by saying that it's all pointless, since demo resumes in near future. Maybe you should work on your understanding of past, present and future, they're quite a different things.

Today I presented a data which show that right now, after demo finally resumed, that there is quite a bit of free plots (you couldn't get number of demolished houses if I didn't get that "pointless" data from before, you're welcome). You could try that sometimes, you know, backing up your claims with some actual data or facts, or at least pointing out where is factual fallacy in my data. Not some "hurr durr, demo starts in few weeks, all will be unicorns and rainbows after that, so everything now and in the past is pointless".

As a side note, I also said this:

I already told you I'll rerun this in few days to see how will demolition affect it. I'm skeptic that resuming of auto demolition will fix EU housing but I'm ready to be happily surprised. I would say EU will be healthy if we had at least comparable amount of private/unrestricted plots as average JP server has, which is around 498, right now EU is at 159 with new servers included.

Right now, JP has average of 504, EU with current spike has just 503, so yeah, I'll keep being skeptic, and I will be surprised if this number stays above 300 in few months.