Not a real Final Fantasy

[TheVedis]

Except you're not an expert swordsman right out of the box. Level 0 would be no skill. Level 1 would be beginner, and this is reflected in your skill list. I don't know about you, but I sure as hell didn't have things like Rage of Halone, Goring Blade, Chaos Thrust, Simian Thrash and the like at level one.

I had to earn of series of points that showed I had experience with the class.....what do they call those again?

i think those are called magic points
or maybe levels, could be either

[Falen]

Except your not learning a tool of war your learning a class. just because you select a class that's proficient in its use doesn't make you an expert swordsman right out of the box, this game seems to think it does.

*Fixed it for you
If this game thought you did, they wouldn't talk about a character not having enough experience for certain quests or for Job quests say that you are learning something by doing this. I almost wish it was something like, "Fight this NM three times, and you'll have Jump only for this fight until you use Jump in the fight with this guy at least 3 times!" But that'd be hard for them to do.
And you would have all your skills at Level 1. Is it hard to learn to swing a sword? No!
Is it hard to learn how to swing properly, when to swing and when to block? To evade and beat? Yes, very much so!
I have experience in martial arts, so I know how it is to "Level Up" your skill over time. At first, you swing a hundred times, then two hundred, then 5, then a thousand, etc. etc. Just like each swing is an experience point you're earning.

[Wolfandre]

OP, your way of thinking on the subject is slightly limited. Open up a bit and you'll find out exactly what I'm talking about. Let me demonstrate...

The Armory System was not built around your weapons 'giving' you certain abilities. That's FFIX. Rather, by using certain weapons, you learn to use them certain ways and adapt to their benefits and detriments. Think of yourself as a Disciple of War. You aren't a monk, you aren't a paladin, you are Tommy Toughnuts, and you hit stuff. Your goal is to make stuff die. How do you do that? By equipping certain weapons or arms. Which one? Doesn't matter. You hit stuff.

Some weapons let you parry with them, others let you dance around the battlefield, still other will cleave a monster in two. It doesn't matter which one you pick, because at the end of the day, you are still Tommy Toughnuts, and you still hit stuff to make it die.

You also have to remember that the abilities for most 'jobs' are still in the game for you to build with. Want to be a classic Red Mage? Go for it. Hop on Gladiator, equip cures, nukes, and light armor with a fast sword. But wait. What if you never liked the fact that Red Mage used a sword? What if your vision was a Red Mage with a spear?! Hop on Lancer, with all of the benefits and detriments of wielding a long, hafted weapon, and equip some cures, nukes, and light armor with whatever speed lance you want! Red Mage a la your wildest dreams.

I liked the original Armory System. It let you build whatever class you wanted to play. Were all of these optimal? Noooooo not at all. Were they hella fun? You bet they were.

So you see, tossing out the idea of 'jobs' and 'classes' was really Tanaka's vision of letting us, the players, go on whatever kind of adventure we wanted, as whatever we wanted.

Open-ended MMOs FTW. Too bad it never caught on.

[Alhanelem]

What is and isn't final fantasy is totally subjective.

The way I see it, the main thing all final fantasy games have in common is the bestiary. Every game does invent some of its own but all the most famous monsters are in basically every game. Also the mythological roots are common to most of the games.

[Gerrr]

This is something that has been giving me an itch for a few days now. I just realized we were ticked into playing FFXIV (starting beta and launch days) presumably thinking, that this game is just like the other Final Fantasy's. Lets look at the root of the problem; the Armoury System. Who in their right mind would take out classes. Really, I understand the first producer had his ambitions and desires, BUT Final Fantasy has always had Classic, distinct, Final Fantasy classes. I don't mind, too bad, renaming them but making the idea of the Armoury System apart of a Final Fantasy game is heresy to Final Fantasy name! Our weapons is not the source of our power! The classes come form our past experiences, in turn, these classes are either taught, learned or passed down through linage. Not by equipping a weapon and so be it...

What the what??? I am confused by this thread.

[Dargoth_Draconia]

Honestly other than the job system in FFXI the game didn't feel overly Final Fantasy to me. Well some of the lore and other tidbits occasionally gave it a Final Fantasy feel. Same goes with FFXIV though there are tidbits that give the feeling for me but overall I think Final Fantasy has yet to really grasp how to become a MMO and still have that unmistakable Final Fantasy feel to it. Some may disagree but both the online titles for me have been lackluster and just doesn't have that magic feel a single player FF title does.

By the way I am not saying the games suck in any form or fashion because FFXI is nearly my favorite MMO to date and FFXIV will likely take that spot or come close come 2.0. I enjoy the games immensely but I don't know if an online FF title with ever give me that same feeling as I get when I buy a new FF offline title. Hopefully Yoshi-P can bring that magic to us, though a lot of the things he has brought to the game has been in the right direction for me like the primal fights and the job system etc.

[Dragon]

Cheesecake.

[Alerith]

Cheesecake.

Thank you for posting this thread. As this thread is now about cheesecake and not Final Fantasy XIV, we will have to lock it at this time.

[Daku_Naito]

God forbid anyone ask questions they don't know the answers to. The correct way of handling a ignorant non-hostile post would be to educate him, not bash and laugh at him until he quits the forums entirely.

If he was actually hostile then bash him until he learns a lesson, but he wasn't.

You are aware he didn't ask much of a question, he made a statement based on little knowledge of the series he was talking about it. People tend to talk to others in this same manner in the real world. Grow up. It wasn't about being mean, because honestly people weren't, they just didn't take him seriously.

[Kafeen]

Most of the recent Final Fantasies have had characters sticking with a single type of weapon throughout the game, so if there was any REAL Final Fantasy weapon system it would be that. When you create your character you select what type of weapon you use, then regardless of job you always use the same weapon.

That would kind of suck though.