Housing Scarcity is manufactured

[VelKallor]

This cant be said enough, they could fix the scarcity in a single day if they wanted to, they dont want to.

If its so scarce, why are there empty plots? If there was so much demand, those plots would be taken. I already listed empty plots on Kujata that have been there for months...so..explain?

"No one can get a house because they are scarce"..all OP has to do it go to the aethernet system to see that there are plots available now.

[VelKallor]

"non-fashionable districts" is fair argument, why would I want to live in the middle of rocky mountains, on some ugly brutalistic mega structure? People do prefer other districts, but if server becomes really filled, people will start to buy plots even in those ugly districts.

Fair argument? No.

So, it actually isnt that there arent any houses, its that the houses are in locations people dont want? A house is a house, you can call it ugly all you like, but if you choose not to buy an available house..thats on you.

Isnt it?

Super in-depth explanation: It's on JP, JP servers have average population of ~11K, EU ~19K, NA ~22K, yet we get same amount of wards.

No. As I said on page one:

A quick personal visit to Lamia reveals no less than SEVENTY FIVE empty plots in the Goblet alone. A mix of large, medium and small.

Lamia is OPs home server on Primal DC. if they want a house, there are 75 empty plots right now to choose from.

[Deo14]

Fair argument? No.

People not wanting to live in a Goblet/Empyreum is fair, like it or not.

So, it actually isnt that there arent any houses, its that the houses are in locations people dont want? A house is a house, you can call it ugly all you like, but if you choose not to buy an available house..thats on you.

Those data I showed are not from Goblet only, it's number of every single available private house on that server. There is competition even on smalls in Goblet.

No. As I said on page one:

Lamia is OPs home server on Primal DC. if they want a house, there are 75 empty plots right now to choose from.

"No" for what? Do you deny different population density on EU/NA and JP servers? https://ffxivcensus.com/#realmendgame

Your strawman argument works for OP, but not for anyone living on actually populated servers, where there are frequently 10+ bidders even on the most undesirable plots. You seem to claim that everyone can just get a small in Goblet if they really wanted to, but that's just not the case.

[Dzian]

OP.

The real reason is housing was designed to be an FC content that involved FCs working together.

The only reason they opened up the wards to personal housing g is because the game has absolutely ZERO fc content and thus tons upon tons of FCs collapsed and fell apart and the wards were empty because none of those tiny small FCs that the big ones crumbled down into could afford housing.

Thus they opened up the wards to personal housing.

All the FC content we were promised (such as FCs being able to summon primals) never materialised because the game went away from groups and towards a single player game. Yet the housing was still designed around the game being an MMO.

The system was never designed for a single player game. It was designed for an MMO where players worked together in groups, guilds etc etc.

[Rhysati]

The system was never designed for a single player game. It was designed for an MMO where players worked together in groups, guilds etc etc.

Nonsense. It's the same system LotRO had and the game wasn't designed around guilds at all.

[Jojoya]

If it was all about the money, demolition would never get suspended for long periods of time across entire regions if not all regions. The number of players unable to play the game due to whatever prompts the suspension is small compared to the number of players who are still able to play yet will stop paying but still keep their house.

If it was all about the money, most furnishings would only be available through the cash shop instead of just the seasonal event items plus a handful of others.

If it was all about the money, the number of wards would scale to world population size instead of being the same across all worlds so there would be no worlds with an abundance of available plots.

I suspect there are a lot of players who misunderstand what prestige is. Prestige is respect or admiration for someone who has displayed exceptional skill/achievement. Prestige will not generate drama because of that respect or admiration.

Getting a house in this game doesn't take skill or achievement. It takes luck. It is not prestige being generated by the house ownership system. No one respects or admires a player because that player that owns a LB 11/41s or Shiro 30/60s. At best they see those players as lucky. At worst, they become jealous and that is what leads to drama.

The question that needs to be asked: it is healthy for MMOs to incorporate systems that generate drama among members of the player community?

Notice how they only talk about taking breaks or playing other games but not about unsubbing?

Yet they can unsub for up to 6 weeks while they play other games without losing their house.

Too many people are dumb when it comes to being a consumer.

[Shinkuno]

If it was all about the money, demolition would never get suspended for long periods of time across entire regions if not all regions. The number of players unable to play the game due to whatever prompts the suspension is small compared to the number of players who are still able to play yet will stop paying but still keep their house.

If it was all about the money, most furnishings would only be available through the cash shop instead of just the seasonal event items plus a handful of others.

If it was all about the money, the number of wards would scale to world population size instead of being the same across all worlds so there would be no worlds with an abundance of available plots.

I suspect there are a lot of players who misunderstand what prestige is. Prestige is respect or admiration for someone who has displayed exceptional skill/achievement. Prestige will not generate drama because of that respect or admiration.

Getting a house in this game doesn't take skill or achievement. It takes luck. It is not prestige being generated by the house ownership system. No one respects or admires a player because that player that owns a LB 11/41s or Shiro 30/60s. At best they see those players as lucky. At worst, they become jealous and that is what leads to drama.

The question that needs to be asked: it is healthy for MMOs to incorporate systems that generate drama among members of the player community?


Yet they can unsub for up to 6 weeks while they play other games without losing their house.

Too many people are dumb when it comes to being a consumer.

Wow a whole 6 weeks, that means you can take a astonishing 1 month break. Amazing.

[Reimmi]

If it was all about the money, demolition would never get suspended for long periods of time across entire regions if not all regions. The number of players unable to play the game due to whatever prompts the suspension is small compared to the number of players who are still able to play yet will stop paying but still keep their house.

If it was all about the money, most furnishings would only be available through the cash shop instead of just the seasonal event items plus a handful of others.

If it was all about the money, the number of wards would scale to world population size instead of being the same across all worlds so there would be no worlds with an abundance of available plots.

I suspect there are a lot of players who misunderstand what prestige is. Prestige is respect or admiration for someone who has displayed exceptional skill/achievement. Prestige will not generate drama because of that respect or admiration.

Getting a house in this game doesn't take skill or achievement. It takes luck. It is not prestige being generated by the house ownership system. No one respects or admires a player because that player that owns a LB 11/41s or Shiro 30/60s. At best they see those players as lucky. At worst, they become jealous and that is what leads to drama.

The question that needs to be asked: it is healthy for MMOs to incorporate systems that generate drama among members of the player community?


Yet they can unsub for up to 6 weeks while they play other games without losing their house.

Too many people are dumb when it comes to being a consumer.

So you have to keep a sub up to keep your house. thanks for proving the point friend

[Stormpeaks]

It doesn't have to be constant though, which is what some claim. Sub one month, unsub next 6 weeks. That's going to line up with the major content releases at .x and .x5.

If you plan to only play a couple of weeks then unsub for several months, what's the point of even having a house in a game you don't really play? Are you even spending any significant time at that house when you are playing?

I mean.. Yes it has to be constant, if you actually want a break for a few month it quite literally has to be constant, also if people "need" a house, it's because when they come back to the game, they dont want to spend the next 4 years trying to get a large or medium (and that is by bidding every single bidding period, if they are eventually graced by the rng gods) but I figured you wouldnt understand that

The system is an absolute cancer, forcing people to keep their subs on in the eventual case of them coming back to the game, and god forbid they dont, they can enjoy bidding agaisnt hundreds of people for every medium or large, woooo so exciting to come back to that !

[Jojoya]

I mean.. Yes it has to be constant, if you actually want a break for a few month it quite literally has to be constant, also if people "need" a house, it's because when they come back to the game, they dont want to spend the next 4 years trying to get a large or medium (and that is by bidding every single bidding period, if they are eventually graced by the rng gods) but I figured you wouldnt understand that

The system is an absolute cancer, forcing people to keep their subs on in the eventual case of them coming back to the game, and god forbid they dont, they can enjoy bidding agaisnt hundreds of people for every medium or large, woooo so exciting to come back to that !

Again, why is it so important to have a house in a game if you're only going to be playing it 4 weeks out of 52 each year?

Demolition is necessary to keep houses available to those who are actively playing the game. Otherwise all the houses in the game would have long since been purchased and new players would be out of luck.

If the game had a proper instanced housing system, then demolition wouldn't be necessary. Because SE sticks to the ward system, it is.

Players can either choose to be smart consumers and stop paying a subscription for a game they aren't playing for the sake of something they aren't using, or they can be dumb consumers and waste their money just for the sake of saying "I have this item that's stays shoved in a closet most of the year, aren't I special?"