Loose threads of the Void

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

So was Crystal Tower until it wasn't lol.

So is Void Ark suddenly relevant to the MSQ just because Shadowbringers made the events of The Crystal Tower Relevant to its story?

Um... they all involve literal people from the Void. So we have 2 years of Void storyline but instead of getting Cyella and Unukalhai into the main story as they deserve, we have... Zero.

Instead of expanding on their story, explaining the choices they made and the devil's bargain they made with the Ascians we have... Zero.

If they arnt in the MSQ, then they (currently) have no msq relevance.

[TheDecay]

So is Void Ark suddenly relevant to the MSQ just because Shadowbringers made the events of The Crystal Tower Relevant to its story?

So?? Maybe they should?

What's everyone's take back then? Oh, let me repeat:

"Crystal Tower was a boring, irrelevant story until Shadowbringers retroactively made it good".

Why not give the same treatment to Cait Sith, Cyella, and Unukalhai? Why did we need Y'shtola to follow us into the Void again? What's the point of Zero? Imagine if Cyella replaced Zero, the story would've been 200% better.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

So?? Maybe they should?

What's everyone's take back then? Oh, let me repeat:

"Crystal Tower was a boring, irrelevant story until Shadowbringers retroactively made it good".

Are you asking me, or are you trying to say "Yes they should"?

To this day Im pretty....eh Middleground about The Crystal Tower storyline.
But Yes I do find it neat it was made MSQ relevant with Shadowbringers.

If they made Voidark MSQ relevant later...neat. But until then, I just look at them as side stories that dont effect the world in the MSQ

[BaconBits]

So is Void Ark suddenly relevant to the MSQ just because Shadowbringers made the events of The Crystal Tower Relevant to its story?

Just saying it's pretty silly to say "This has nothing to do with MSQ at all so nyeh!" when we already have a case of something not originally being relevant to MSQ being made not just relevant, but mandatory to the story in order to progress.

So?? Maybe they should?

What's everyone's take back then? Oh, let me repeat:

"Crystal Tower was a boring, irrelevant story until Shadowbringers retroactively made it good".

Why not give the same treatment to Cait Sith, Cyella, and Unukalhai? Why did we need Y'shtola to follow us into the Void again? What's the point of Zero? Imagine if Cyella replaced Zero, the story would've been 200% better.

As much as I'd like to see Cyella back in action, she can barely wear her armor without getting winded, let alone fight. Had to dig through Garland Tools to make sure I was remembering that one right.

Leofard the Goat on the other hand...

[Striker44]

Why not give the same treatment to Cait Sith, Cyella, and Unukalhai? Why did we need Y'shtola to follow us into the Void again? What's the point of Zero? Imagine if Cyella replaced Zero, the story would've been 200% better.

Congratulations on having an opinion! Other people are big fans of Zero, and find the introduction of that character 200% better than if they had done some plot gymnastics to get characters irrelevant to the storyline magically back in it just because they happen to be from a part of the 13th that has nothing to do with what we're doing now...

Regardless of whether or not previous loose threads were handled well, it really does feel like the void should have been given its own expansion so the concepts we've seen so far in 6.x could be expanded on further.

Just my own guess, but I feel like perhaps this would have been seen as too similar to having done that with the Light on the First in ShB. Could've become a "ShB was great because this was a novel idea; now it's just being rehashed with void instead and feels like a letdown."

[TheDecay]

Arnt these just side quests that have Zero Connection to the MSQ - Thus, have Zero effect on the World?

Um... they all involve literal people from the Void. So we have 2 years of Void storyline but instead of getting Cyella and Unukalhai into the main story as they deserve, we have... Zero.

Instead of expanding on their story, explaining the choices they made and the devil's bargain they made with the Ascians we have... Zero.

What a grand missed opportunity. They could've let Y'shtola disappear for good and replace the Scions with Cyella and Unukalhai, and along with Varsahn we would have enough for Duty Support. You know, people who actually have a reason to go into the Void.

[DiaDeem]

Cyella? Unukalhai?

Literally just go talk to them lol

[TheDecay]

Literally just go talk to them lol

I would have thought it was obvious that tying up loose threads =/= a few lines of dialogue. It means substantial inclusion in the MSQ or sidequests.

[DiaDeem]

I would have thought it was obvious that tying up loose threads =/= a few lines of dialogue. It means substantial inclusion in the MSQ or sidequests.

They've never been part of the MSQ. You'd be forcing players to do Warring Triad and get one of each job to 80 to complete all ShB Job Quests. Also, if you paid attention to what they're saying, their goal is restoring the XIIIth, which hasn't really been part of the 6.X MSQ at all, as we're only saving Azdaja.

A sidequest in 6.5 or after would be nice, but you're acting as if they were MAJOR CRITICAL loose threads. They're not. They're pending side stories not really related to the Golbez arc at all.

Want an actual (though not terribly important) loose thread? Travanchet.

My head canon is that Gaius killed him at some point in ShB. We don't actually know.

[SannaR]

They've never been part of the MSQ. You'd be forcing players to do Warring Triad and get one of each job to 80 to complete all ShB Job Quests. Also, if you paid attention to what they're saying, their goal is restoring the XIIIth, which hasn't really been part of the 6.X MSQ at all, as we're only saving Azdaja.

A sidequest in 6.5 or after would be nice, but you're acting as if they were MAJOR CRITICAL lose threads. They're not. They're pending side stories not really related to the Golbez arc at all.

Want an actual (though not terribly important) lose thread? Travanchet.

My head canon is that Gaius killed him at some point in ShB. We don't actually know.

This. The devs with the exception of Crystal Tower will almost never mention side content as they will never assume the majority of players will have done X content. Or the person who only did the MSQ and didn't do the side stories cause they were in a rush to get to the current raid, or felt that if it's not required by the MSQ it can wait or is boring or not very relevant to anything else. It's why 6.1-6.4 has retreaded ground that would have been covered in said capstone quest. Why we're just now in need to go to the 1st to slam in some resplendent light. It's highly unlikely that the devs would force people to do all of those quests any time soon. If those npcs do get introduced by the msq the devs will have came up with something without the need to do all of those quests.