Bring Lyse back into the fold

[Korbei]

Having played through the latest set of Duty Support dungeons, I really enjoyed having Lyse in the group. She's fantastic.

Considering where we are in the story, Ala Mhigo has stabilized, the Scions disbanded, I feel like it's a good time for her to step back to the fore with the WoL and friends. She's a fighter not a diplomat.

Monk is underrepresented. Can never have too many female characters. Bring her back.

Tangentially, Arenvald is awful. He is absolutely terrible. Raubahn should be the tank in Ala Mhigo.

[GoatOfWar]

Please don't, she's boring. Graha summoned people who's fate were closely tied to the Warrior of light, and Lyse wasn't one of them.

[Carin-Eri]

Please don't, she's boring. Graha summoned people who's fate were closely tied to the Warrior of light, and Lyse wasn't one of them.

Even if you argue that she was boring, is there any reason she needs to continue to be? Surely the level of interest surrounding a character depends on the story revolving around them?

[GoatOfWar]

Even if you argue that she was boring, is there any reason she needs to continue to be? Surely the level of interest surrounding a character depends on the story revolving around them?

I would rather not have her forced back into the story after her story arc concluded. She's just not likable or interesting enough i think. What could she contribute that existing characters don't already contribute better? I think the scions altogether should take a backseat in the coming expansion so we can actually see new characters be explored.

[Kesey]

Please don't, she's boring. Graha summoned people who's fate were closely tied to the Warrior of light, and Lyse wasn't one of them.

This line could be seen in the context of the 8th calamity and since that was averted, other's fates could now be tied to the Warrior of Light. I think the introduction of Zero is proof that the first of new characters whose fate will be tied to the WOL has already started to be present in the story.

Furthermore, I think Lyse gets a bad rap. She narrated Stormblood and effectively ended Ala Mhigo civil war and the reoccurring killings. Her role was just under pinned by the WOL because they get all the glory all the time. Yeah, I know the WOL defeated Zenos and then fought Zenos as Shinryu and it was epic. But on a human and political level, Lyse NOT executing Fordola ended the conflict began the healing process of her nation. The whole reason she gets to narrate to the player is because she is actually talking to Fordola explaining how the whole journey lead her to answer of what to do differently. Lyse could have killed for what had been done to her and choose not to when the time came. It's painful when she has a better character journey then those that came after (looking at you Graha and Zero) but gets a bad rep causes she's blonde? a monk? naive? and hid her identity? Just bring her back already.

[VictorSpoils]

Please don't, she's boring. Graha summoned people who's fate were closely tied to the Warrior of light, and Lyse wasn't one of them.

She's not rude enough

[UkcsAlias]

Please don't, she's boring. Graha summoned people who's fate were closely tied to the Warrior of light, and Lyse wasn't one of them.

Not that he deliberately did that. It was targeted to be WoL all the time, hence the issues that came along with it.

[Cleretic]

Not that he deliberately did that. It was targeted to be WoL all the time, hence the issues that came along with it.

It could also be argued that his 'aim' happened to miss her. It's not clear exactly what his spell was trying to do or exactly how it was failing, but I can think of two ways where it could've just not hit Lyse.

1. If he was going basically by pure skillshot and hitting people nearby (either physically or destiny...ly) when he failed, statistically the current Scions were the most likely people to get hit because they were the people who were close most often--and Lyse basically just slips by out of luck, but was never a high chance since she's not around us as often and is now doing much more of her own thing. This seems to be how it's presented, but it seems a little implausible when you write it out.

2. Since we know he picked post-SB as the time period, it's possible that he basically picked the Scions as a category of 'possible targets'; basically, narrowing down to the smallest group we're definitely in (the Scions, with six other members) and then basically rolling a random number until he hit us. In that case, Lyse was never getting in, because she just wasn't in that field of candidates at the time.

Of course, that's assuming the Exarch was telling the truth when he basically said 'I kept trying and just kept getting other people'; I've no reason to doubt him on this particular point, but he did hide facts and lie a lot in that part of the story. There's luck involved in both of these, one more than the other (Tataru is in the potential pool for both), but basically I can see a good couple reasons why Lyse wouldn't have gotten pulled in without the reason of 'you're not friends anymore'.

...and all of that's not acknowledging the more writer-ly reason she wasn't: because she had her own story going on that wouldn't have been helped by her coming along for Shadowbringers, and that Shadowbringers inversely wouldn't have been helped out by her being there. The latter isn't really true anymore, but the former certainly is if the story takes her away from Ala Mhigo.

[WhiteArchmage]

2. Since we know he picked post-SB as the time period, it's possible that he basically picked the Scions as a category of 'possible targets'; basically, narrowing down to the smallest group we're definitely in (the Scions, with six other members) and then basically rolling a random number until he hit us. In that case, Lyse was never getting in, because she just wasn't in that field of candidates at the time.

Considering we joke that he was playing the gacha until he pulled the SSSR, I like this one the best. Lucky him he didn't end up with 15 Alphinauds, 8 Uriangers and only 2 Y'shtolas.

[Cleretic]

Considering we joke that he was playing the gacha until he pulled the SSSR, I like this one the best. Lucky him he didn't end up with 15 Alphinauds, 8 Uriangers and only 2 Y'shtolas.

You joke, but honestly I feel like eight Uriangers probably could've solved Shadowbringers a lot faster.

Not as happily, granted, the meaningful bodycount would probably be higher than 'a corrupted fairy queen, a very large Don Corneo riff, and one Ascian who was also the founder of the empire that caused most of the modern world's problems', but I feel like at the very least eight Uriangers would've shaved off that sixth zone.