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    Can something be done about the "Fake" Completion required EX6 groups?

    2 weeks now, 2 weeks and not a single EX6 group i have found has been a legit farm group.

    "Farm party, come join, 640 ilevel required, completion required."
    Join and find half the party cant do it.

    Im not complaining about that one person who has researched the fight and come close in other groups, Sure they should make an A2C group but often they manage, what im complaining about is joining and finding 3+ sometimes 5 or 6 people have not cleared and cant even do the first half of gale2.
    If i wanted to spend the full timer wiping i would run a teaching group (I host them every few weeks just to try get the player count up on Materia who have done it)

    Isnt the title supposed to be a different color if anyone in the party hasn't cleared?
    And yet each of these party's have the orange text and everything like a proper group.

    I just want a group that can farm the mount full of people with at the very least 1 kill but they dont seem to exist anymore on Materia ><

    Isn't the text supposed to be blue if someone in the party hasn't done it? Or is it only blue if the party leader hasn't?
    Either way, slipping people in a farm party when they haven't even reached Gale2 is taking the piss, especially since 1 person dead can and often does result in wipes.
    2 freaking weeks since I last found a group that can do it listed as a farm group!

    /end frustration rant
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sililos View Post
    2 weeks now, 2 weeks and not a single EX6 group i have found has been a legit farm group.

    "Farm party, come join, 640 ilevel required, completion required."
    Join and find half the party cant do it.

    Im not complaining about that one person who has researched the fight and come close in other groups, Sure they should make an A2C group but often they manage, what im complaining about is joining and finding 3+ sometimes 5 or 6 people have not cleared and cant even do the first half of gale2.
    If i wanted to spend the full timer wiping i would run a teaching group (I host them every few weeks just to try get the player count up on Materia who have done it)

    Isnt the title supposed to be a different color if anyone in the party hasn't cleared?
    And yet each of these party's have the orange text and everything like a proper group.

    I just want a group that can farm the mount full of people with at the very least 1 kill but they dont seem to exist anymore on Materia ><

    Isn't the text supposed to be blue if someone in the party hasn't done it? Or is it only blue if the party leader hasn't?
    Either way, slipping people in a farm party when they haven't even reached Gale2 is taking the piss, especially since 1 person dead can and often does result in wipes.
    2 freaking weeks since I last found a group that can do it listed as a farm group!

    /end frustration rant
    just a normal day in party finder be grateful you saw gales 2 and are not stuck at double mentors.
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    Very true lol. Had more than a few of them too XD
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    They aren't always accurate, to be honest.

    I gave EX6 a try a few times myself last week - haven't completed it yet though.

    One of the parties I joined was clearly 'advertised' as a Practice run, however some of the party members took offense at my admittance that I was new, and inexperienced, where this trial was concerned. Though have to admit that I, at that point, hadn't watched the apparently essential "Hector guide"*. In view of this I opted to leave, and I was clearly not wanted and was hesitant about doing it in the first place!

    *I've since watched said guide and to be honest, it didn't really help as I don't tend to be able to memorize what I see in guide videos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carin-Eri View Post
    One of the parties I joined was clearly 'advertised' as a Practice run, however some of the party members took offense at my admittance that I was new, and inexperienced, where this trial was concerned. Though have to admit that I, at that point, hadn't watched the apparently essential "Hector guide"*. In view of this I opted to leave, and I was clearly not wanted and was hesitant about doing it in the first place!

    *I've since watched said guide and to be honest, it didn't really help as I don't tend to be able to memorize what I see in guide videos.
    In this era you don't have time because NO one has time.
    Until a few years ago there were mails. You did send a mail and had to wait days or weeks for an answer.

    Today is different: today you send an e-mail and if you don't see a reply in a few minutes you begin to grumble, maybe you send the same e-mail another time with an HIGH priority, because you and I and everyone have NOtime, and patience.

    (I agree with you, for me the fun in a game is "understand and find a solution for a problem" thus it's easy to understand how much I like to watch an useless guide made by a random one gaining money by ruining my fun).
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    Last edited by Mr_Gyactus; 06-23-2023 at 08:30 PM.

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    Thalia Beckford
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carin-Eri View Post
    They aren't always accurate, to be honest.

    I gave EX6 a try a few times myself last week - haven't completed it yet though.

    One of the parties I joined was clearly 'advertised' as a Practice run, however some of the party members took offense at my admittance that I was new, and inexperienced, where this trial was concerned. Though have to admit that I, at that point, hadn't watched the apparently essential "Hector guide"*. In view of this I opted to leave, and I was clearly not wanted and was hesitant about doing it in the first place!

    *I've since watched said guide and to be honest, it didn't really help as I don't tend to be able to memorize what I see in guide videos.
    There are different levels of practice. If it was practice but was marked as a specific point of prog, like Gales 2 or Stardust 2, then those are late fight mechanics and the team would expect everyone to know things up to that point.

    If you see either the Beginners Welcome tag or it says something like "fresh" or "blind prog" then those are the parties where they won't mind if someone is new and inexperienced. Or if they're on prog for an earlier mechanic in the fight.
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    Saraide Derosa
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    You can select [Duty Complete] as option when hosting and it will only allow people who cleared to join, for other people this will be one of the coloured tags in front of the description. Some PFs dont select this option however and instead simply write "[Duty Complete]" into the description at which point it doesnt actually force you to have cleared to be able to join.
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    Last edited by Saraide; 06-22-2023 at 06:41 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    You can select [Duty Complete] as option when hosting and it will only allow people who cleared to join, for other people this will be one of the coloured tags in front of the description. Some PFs dont select this option however and instead simply write "[Duty Complete]" into the description at which point it doesnt actually force you to have cleared to be able to join.
    This is a bit unreliable as well. Many times I've been into [Duty Complete] parties with repeated wipes on several parts of the encounter. Which this is possible that some people get to earn the clear by not fully understanding the mechanics. The best example this is P5S Devour - some people mastering ZigZag pattern and calling the day, but completely messing up when the other pattern appeared.

    I honestly just join clear parties when I have absolute grasp of the encounter in my role. And if I change roles, is [practice] groups again until I understand what I'm doing.
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    Seijuro Kibagami
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    You can select [Duty Complete] as option when hosting and it will only allow people who cleared to join, for other people this will be one of the coloured tags in front of the description. Some PFs dont select this option however and instead simply write "[Duty Complete]" into the description at which point it doesnt actually force you to have cleared to be able to join.
    This right here. To add to Saraide's point, an unfortunate truth is that people lie about their fight knowledge in PF. You sometimes have people that cleared the fight, but were carried through it so they aren't truly competent at it. Best you can do is kick people are holding the group back if they joined a farm party, but are consistently dying to mechanics. They'd only have themselves to blame for joining a farm and not being ready for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sililos View Post
    2 weeks now, 2 weeks and not a single EX6 group i have found has been a legit farm group.
    I can relate. The last week I have joined many farm parties and out of all of them I only got 2 clears (and each of those clears were separate parties).

    I could do the whole fight flawlessly hundreds of times (and have almost 100 totems to show that), but it doesn't seem everyone joining farm parties is in quite the same boat.

    I just want a group that can farm the mount full of people with at the very least 1 kill but they dont seem to exist anymore on Materia ><
    Oh you are on Materia. Well I won't blame Materia I guess. It's like this on other data centers too.

    Isn't the text supposed to be blue if someone in the party hasn't done it? Or is it only blue if the party leader hasn't?
    An orange party means it's a same-world party. A blue party means it is a cross-world party. Blue text means the party leader set [Duty Completion], but this can be set even if nobody is new. Yellow/orange text means the party leader set [Loot] (which implies it's a farm party usually). Green text means they set [Practice]. [Duty Complete] means everyone in the party has (or should have) cleared. [Duty Incomplete] means everyone in the party has not (or shouldn't have) cleared.

    The only way you can know for certain if someone hasn't cleared is if it shows a bonus tomestone message when you enter the duty.
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    In other news, there is no technical debt from 1.0.
    "We don't have ... a technological issue that was carried over from 1.0, because ARR was meant to kind of discard what we had from 1.0 and rebuild it from the engine."
    https://youtu.be/ge32wNPaJKk?t=560

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    Want to know why new content will never last more than 20 minutes? Full breakdown:

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