Rotations: Making them DIFFERENT

[fulminating]

And maybe they could let you have ravana's wings while you use a stacking supranakah, or ramuh's staff while you cast a high power single target attack with splash, or brute justice's wings while you use your gap closer.

Here, have some "concept art" of what it may look like:

Do note the way that the stance/body language of leviathan, ifrit and garuda are mimicked in the lower right trio rather than growing scales/rabbit horns/wings.

The issue I have with this, is that in mimicking a fraction of BLU's power all you do is lose what a summoner was.

To go back to the healer rotations, I think there must be a different effect on the spells for it to feel significantly different, way more than summoner currently has - even with the ogcds, titan shine, garuda shine and even ifrit shite still just comes across as pressing the same button. Bio and miasma despite not having much feedback did seem slightly more because they're separate buttons pressed close to each other with different cast times and miasma has a heavy effect. I'm not sure where exactly the threshold of "sameyness" is, but summoner's definitely sailed past it.

[IDontPetLalas]

"I really don't mean to disparage anyone, but I feel a lot of people don't like SMN for more ideological (for lack of a better word) reasons (they don't like the game being "dumbed down") and/or people who like DoT gameplay miss old SMN - and in both cases, people then take this pre-existing disgruntlement to argue against SMN and find reasons to justify it. It's like when someone has a poll result they want, so they make poll questions to generate that result rather than reflect reality. It blinds people to seeing things and allows them to justify their position by masking/putting on blinders, as it were.
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Why do those people who may have invested a fair amount of time into their summoner believe in some "ideology" whereas those that like the current summoner do not? Similarly why are those that liked the former summoner become incapable of discussing the changes and what is "reality"? Who defines "reality"?

You've made multiple arguments to justify keeping one healer the way it is, expressly because of those healers who don't want that job changed, however in this case summoners who didn't like a complete overhaul are disgruntled?

Before you classify this as an "attack" - it isn't- I am simply seeing an incongruity in your positions.

[Sebazy]

Barely lukewarm take:

SMN will never be well represented in this game.

The 4 man light party concept just doesn't offer room for truely versatile flex/support jobs even if SE did have a change of heart about their hateboner for anything that doesn't boil down to generating, enhancing or allowing more damage.

Meanwhile, the job design team aren't innovative or brave enough to make it into an interesting DPS job either.

[Semirhage]

Until today I had been laboring under the delusion that disliking dumbed-down all-visuals-no-substance job design was a "legitimate" position. I see the light now; "objective", "real" criticism means I have to only care about things that casual players who don't like engaging their brains with this game in any capacity care about. Otherwise I'm lying about my preferences. Thank God I have Renathras to tell me what I think.