PSA: Do not undercut people by 50k gil or more

[NekoMataMata]

I mean undercutting is toxic due to the idea that it becomes a massive competition to see who has more time to sink sitting at their retainers changing prices(with the bots always winning), but I wouldn't consider it reportable unless you're using cheats to do so.

Did the GM actually do anything or did you just talk to them?

[Antharaes]

I mean undercutting is toxic

Where do you get that idea from ?? Undercutting is as normal as breathing. It's economy 101.

[NekoMataMata]

Where do you get that idea from ?? Undercutting is as normal as breathing. It's economy 101.

I just explained it to you. This is a game, not real life. It's normal to be competitive, but at the same time we all know how bad undercutting gets. It ends up being a competition of who has the most time to sit there at their retainers swapping the prices out repeatedly(or who can cheat and do it constantly).

Yes, it's not reportable but it's a toxic culture when it reaches a certain point.

[Ranaku]

I just talked to a GM after I reported a retainer on the market board that undercut me by 50k gil on Kupo Coffer. Undercutting is not only rude but when you undercut by so much you crash the market, and everyone makes 50k gil less thanks to your impatience. Now thanks to that person Kupo Coffer is only 40k. Hopefully that person gets banned. You do NOT troll on the market board unless you want to get reported by everyone else. Learn to match other people's price and wait patiently.



Wrong. If no one undercut it will still be 90k and people will still buy it.

Now, just to spite you, i will undercut everything i sell in the future by 20%. Cause i know that at least that really bothers your rmt/bot business Titanmen/Gaius/Howeveryounameyourselfnext.

You do know that it is really obvious that this is just another botfarm alt of yours, right? Every crafter and gatherer on 90, only one combat job at max level. You are way too obvious.

[Heavenchild]

Of course people who undercut a lot are annoying and ruin the prices for everyone else. But I don't think that this is something to report, as long as it is no bot. It's how the market is.

Sometimes, when people undercut a lot, I buy the item and then turn it in again for the regularly price. Sometimes this works fine, sometimes not. That's the market-game.

[kaynide]

I just explained it to you. This is a game, not real life. It's normal to be competitive, but at the same time we all know how bad undercutting gets. It ends up being a competition of who has the most time to sit there at their retainers swapping the prices out repeatedly.

That’s kinda the point. Obviously not those who are botting, but that’s how a competitior wins. Person A is going to be willing to put in X amount of time, expecting Y profit/results.

Everyone has a different X:Y ratio; some people are more willing than others.

And again, nothing is stopping you from buying it at that fire sale and flipping for a profit, even if you have to wait a week for the price to rebound….unless it never rebounds in which case it really never was worth what you thought it was.

Again, (to OP)welcome to FF Stonks.

[Toutatis]

I just explained it to you. This is a game, not real life. It's normal to be competitive, but at the same time we all know how bad undercutting gets. It ends up being a competition of who has the most time to sit there at their retainers swapping the prices out repeatedly(or who can cheat and do it constantly).

Yes, it's not reportable but it's a toxic culture when it reaches a certain point.

Undercutting is not toxic by itself. I undercut if I want to and leave it there, i don’t spend my day in front of the MB. I am confident that my items will sell.

What is toxic is botting like OP does: he wants to control the market and he’s frustrated that people are not following his outrageous prices as it forces his bot to lower his intended price lol

[TheMightyMollusk]

I undercut all the time. But I also only bother to list things once or twice a week and then ignore it until the bag clutter starts to get on my nerves again. I'm not interested in accumulating gil for its own sake, so I'm not gonna sit by the bell adjusting prices all day.

[TheDustyOne]

I just explained it to you. This is a game, not real life. It's normal to be competitive, but at the same time we all know how bad undercutting gets. It ends up being a competition of who has the most time to sit there at their retainers swapping the prices out repeatedly(or who can cheat and do it constantly).

Yes, it's not reportable but it's a toxic culture when it reaches a certain point.

Part of the fun of many games is the competition, the drive to win. How fast can I beat this level or boss? if we use this strategy will we beat the other team? If I undercut, can I still be profitable and sell quickly? Marketboard competition is at most slightly irritating or rude, but nothing more. Undercutting isn't inherently toxic, it's just competitive.

I definitely get your point about bots, that I do find to be more toxic as they can just keep lowering it by single gil digits without any input and always put themselves at the top of the marketboard lists, but the undercutting isn't what's toxic, it's the automation of it. I wonder if it's possible to completely tank an items price (and hope no one buys it) to force the bot to undercut it, then just buy it off them for dirt cheap.

[Ranaku]

Did the GM actually do anything or did you just talk to them?

The thought that this might be a serious question is both troubling and insanely hilarious to me. There is literally no rule for undercutting.

I personally love to undercut, i want my gil and i want them fast. Undercutting by like 10% or more gives me my gil really fast and i don't have to adjust prices all the time.

Also it is a viable strategy often when it comes to items that will fall in price really fast, like new mats etc. It is more lucrative to sell stuff for 10% less on the first days than having to adjust it all the time and selling it for 50% less (cause of the price fall) some days later.

So i will continue to happily undercut everything i sell on the marketboard.