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    DPZ2's Avatar
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    Dal S'ta
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    Large swathes of the game's established lore seems to be at risk of just being completely retconned out of the blue. Sharlayan, for example, was established as a sinister and shady isolationist nation that sent assassins to kill or threaten anybody who shared knowledge with the outside world without permission.
    Please provide some level of in-game dialogue that lead you to this assessment. Or is this yet another 1.0 thing that got changed when all you knew about the world was wiped out with the reboot of the world in 2.0.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DPZ2 View Post
    Please provide some level of in-game dialogue that lead you to this assessment. Or is this yet another 1.0 thing that got changed when all you knew about the world was wiped out with the reboot of the world in 2.0.
    It's part of the astrologian job quests. Although I always read that as being a specific group, not the entirety of Sharlayan.
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    I have come to the realization that this community cares more about the total number of contents released more than the quality of said content that is released.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nav_Fae View Post
    I have come to the realization that this community cares more about the total number of contents released more than the quality of said content that is released.
    except bozja was still higher quality than variant and island sanctuary
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nav_Fae View Post
    I have come to the realization that this community cares more about the total number of contents released more than the quality of said content that is released.
    The current content has neither so whats your point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nav_Fae View Post
    I have come to the realization that this community cares more about the total number of contents released more than the quality of said content that is released.
    ShB had less content overall than EW.
    ShB content was better overall though because it had longevity and actual incentive to run the content vs anything EW has given apart from the Raids and Ultimates.
    Bozja is far and away better than V&C Dungeons because it rewards you for the time investment, either with your relic, glamours, several mounts, emotes, etc. and is a great way to level jobs.
    V&C the rewards are practically non-existent, consisting of mostly materia with no gear that would actually aide you in the content itself, just pure glamour (Bozja at least had 3 different sets of gear that could be used to gear out jobs for each stage of the expansion).
    Island Sanctuary is just a spreadsheet simulator for all the good it's used for. It has plenty of mounts and glamours for sure, but so did Ishgard Restoration and that has the benefit of leveling your Crafters and Gatherers at least.

    So what "Quality" is there in EW content? So far, there seems to be more bugs than anything, like Close Caloric being reapplied in P12S.
    The quality isn't there to speak of, so what are you on about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nav_Fae View Post
    I have come to the realization that this community cares more about the total number of contents released more than the quality of said content that is released.
    I don't think that's the case at all. For quite some time one of the biggest complaints towards the game has been the lack of content with staying power that is designed to appeal to players who are all caught up on the latest content patches. It's pretty rare to see people ask for endless content to keep them entertained every hour of every day yet deliberate design decisions have been made throughout Endwalker to chip away at the usual offerings with longevity. We have no relic zone this time around and multiple relic weapon steps have involved tomestones. We have no optional trial series this time around as trials are tied to the MSQ's.

    The game has doubled down on pandering heavily to new players and those who spend most of their time attending venues and taking screenshots of their characters. Those of us who actually want a world to explore, meanwhile, are left wanting - and the offerings for that specific key component of pretty much every other MMO on the market have been increasingly lacking here.

    Thus do people who still manage to maintain a modicum of hope for the game course correcting in the future continue to leave feedback related to the matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    I don't think that's the case at all. For quite some time one of the biggest complaints towards the game has been the lack of content with staying power that is designed to appeal to players who are all caught up on the latest content patches. It's pretty rare to see people ask for endless content to keep them entertained every hour of every day yet deliberate design decisions have been made throughout Endwalker to chip away at the usual offerings with longevity. We have no relic zone this time around and multiple relic weapon steps have involved tomestones. We have no optional trial series this time around as trials are tied to the MSQ's.

    The game has doubled down on pandering heavily to new players and those who spend most of their time attending venues and taking screenshots of their characters. Those of us who actually want a world to explore, meanwhile, are left wanting - and the offerings for that specific key component of pretty much every other MMO on the market have been increasingly lacking here.

    Thus do people who still manage to maintain a modicum of hope for the game course correcting in the future continue to leave feedback related to the matter.
    This is much better than literally every single other person that has replied to me so far. Thank you for not putting words into my mouth and misinterpreting what I said and gaslighting me into a spot of things that I never said. I will answer you cause you were far more polite than every other person that had replied to me. Especially Silver-Strider.

    You are the first to make an actual point that counters what I said. "Biggest complaints towards the game is the lack of content". So, believe it or not, I do feel the quality of the content is shit. And a lot of the content isn't going into parts of the game that I personally give a rat's ass about and instead used for things such as the duty support system. Like it's great, but it's taking away attention from other parts of the game. It still counts as content technically, just not fun content catered towards me and my needs. The lack of a new explorer zone is a bummer. And I even said earlier that Bozja was better than what we have now. It's just even back in Shadow Bringers I remember people feeling like Bozja was lacking even for it's time. We're in a far worst spot now than we were then but I do recall people hoping the next relic zone would be better than Bozja. Now we're in a position where we appreciate Bozja only because they gave us worse, and it sucks that they constantly give us crap content and then give us worse content if we underappreciate the original thing.

    Doubling down on pandering to new players is a take I 200% get behind. I'm with you all the way on that one. It bothers me to no end. Unlike what many people had originally thought, my original comment was actually directed at people saying ARR and HW had the better content. ARR did give a lot of content per patch. But it wasn't great content. Like 3 dungeons at the time is amazing, but they were still just nothing special dungeons. Same formula that we still have today but with a new coat of paint. Enough to keep us distracted for a bit. I wouldn't call those dungeons good quality dungeons, there was just more of them back then and that's it. The Relic again was something to do and like, we really do need something to do. But I refuse to ever under any circumstance acknowledge that ARR relic was fun content. But based off earlier comments made in this thread, people gave me the impression that they don't mind if the content is trashy if there is just enough content to go around. If I was wrong in that feeling, then I apologize. But based of the other comments behavior I simply did not feel like talking to them.
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    Last edited by Nav_Fae; 06-18-2023 at 02:09 AM.

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    Time travel, space travel, planet travel, technological advance fallen empire, great all of it great. The Story after the conclusion of Endwalkwer is horrible. So what do you want to do now? I know, lets travel to different planets, visit the past or explore the moon more. No, we will talk about our feelings and learn to trust for the next year. We will stare at food every time and act like we're learning to walk for the first time.

    How about we explore the most technological advance race? No, we will go to India where a dragon can live out its fantasy by playing with life like dolls with us.

    Zeros personality is boring and not enjoyable to watch. Her learning to trust is dreadfully boring to watch. did we really need this many patches of backstory to her finally say you're worth staying with? Is she incapable of seeing gain? Is she really that dumb compared to her 13th world counterparts? I wish she had intelligence, common sense or at least be like, "yeah I get it, now lets go smash things. Why couldn't we find a void in the 13th that wanted to be fun? I cant even stomach playing any of the new patches. Its all the same and nothing interesting. Only reason I came back for the 3rd time is the house. I need to get rid of it.

    Please no more main story suicidal emo characters. Would rather of had Zenos rival personality as our ally than Zero. No more long drawn out build ups.
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    Last edited by LalafellDown; 06-17-2023 at 10:51 PM.

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    Man, I love all the people misinterpreting what I said. I didn't say a single thing about the current state of the game. I just said I realized people prefer the total # of content over the quality of the content. Ya'll need to not misinterpret things that were not said. Meanwhile I just get a bunch of angry "But Bozja was better" posts. In response to those comments, I just say; It was good only because we got something worse. Back in Shb all I heard was complaints about how it was worse than Eureka and that it was just an over glorified fate zone. It only had longevity because it was fate farming which accrued exp to level up. It was the fastest way to level jobs, even over roulettes. Bozja is better than Island, but let's not pretend that Bozja was the perfect piece of entertainment the world had ever seen because it wasn't. I don't want current relic, and I surely don't want Bozja back. I don't want to settle for something subpar because something worse was the alternative.
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    Last edited by Nav_Fae; 06-17-2023 at 11:41 PM.

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