this raid tier is the worst yet

[AwesomeJr44]

Entries are in order within ranking tier. I haven't finished P12 but phase 1 seems like it'll be mid to high A tier so far.

S Tier
Pretty much nothing goes here. There is not a single fight where I can't think of a reason why it wouldn't be S tier.

A Tier
P10 - Very fun for tanks other than Harrowing Hell which was annoying on min ilv and with SCH/AST as the healers. This fight could have been in S tier if Harrowing was balanced better for comps without WHM/SGE. Yes it is possible with SCH/AST. It is also very very annoying with SCH/AST. This one might only be above P4 P1 due to recency bias but we'll see.

P4 P1 - Pinax is probably one of if not my favorite mechanics this expansion. Role call is also very good. This could have been S if the boss wasn't so annoying to position, especially during/after Pinax. The server tick would literally be the only factor in deciding how far he moved from the middle before casting Pinax.

P2 - Another very fun fight for tanks. The arena actually gets utilized very well in this one.

P5 - A pretty good fight all around, the various Ruby Glow mechanics were fun to figure out day 1.

B Tier
P4 P2 - The tethers are fun but this phase isn't as good as the first.

P9 - The mage phase is the best one, but the monk phase is good too. The behemoth phase was a little boring and LC2 is kinda lackluster. If the second half of the fight was as fun as the first, it'd be better than P5.

P8 P1 - Very fun all around but the possibility of Centaur/Dog being picked first 50% of the pulls sucked. This was before buffs got a range increase so it would screw up buff timings if Centaur/Dog was first and it felt awkward. If Snake 1 was first 100% of the time, this would be an A tier fight.

P8 P2 - HC is fun and interesting. The rest of the fight is not.

P6 - A little lackluster but alright. This could honestly be C tier if I wanted to go remake the picture.

P3 - This is only not in C tier because I had GOATed PFs when progging this one so it was actually pretty fun to prog. Orange on orange is annoying and spreads suck.

C Tier (Looking back, I'd swap P1 and P11 and maybe put P6 in between tbh)
P1 - A very good intro for someone getting into savage. However, if you are not a beginner, this fight is very boring. It's not annoying, just meh.

P11 - Fun, but also boring. The mechanics are sorta enjoyable but the entire fight just rehashes the same 3 mechanics in different ways. At least it's not as boring as P7.

D Tier
P7 - lol lmao xdd

imo obviously (cause I gotta say it )

[TomsYoungerBro]

A Tier
P10 - Very fun for tanks other than Harrowing Hell which was annoying on min ilv and with SCH/AST as the healers. This fight could have been in S tier if Harrowing was balanced better for comps without WHM/SGE. Yes it is possible with SCH/AST. It is also very very annoying with SCH/AST. This one might only be above P4 P1 due to recency bias but we'll see.

Rarely play healer so curious why WHM > AST for HH? SGE > SCH makes sense because of panhaima, but maybe there is more to that as well?

[Silver-Strider]

Rarely play healer so curious why WHM > AST for HH? SGE > SCH makes sense because of panhaima, but maybe there is more to that as well?

I suspect Lilybell since it fills the same niche as Panhaima

[TomsYoungerBro]

I suspect Lilybell since it fills the same niche as Panhaima

Ah of course! thanks it completely slipped my mind xD

[Ivtrix]

I would move proto carbuncle down one tier and move p8s p1 up one tier but otherwise I think the list is pretty accurate

[AwesomeJr44]

I would move proto carbuncle down one tier and move p8s p1 up one tier but otherwise I think the list is pretty accurate

I would have probably moved P8 P1 up to A tier if Centaur/Dog first wasn't possible. The buff timings just made it a bit awkward as Manifold forces the party apart when the 2m window starts if Centaur/Dog is first. Any pull that had Snake 1 first was 100% an A tier fight.

[SilversLyu]

P3S was a mistake

[Silver-Strider]

Not overly fond of the body checks honestly.

[Tsumdere]

They have shifted the difficulty from a mix of mechanics and DPS to just mechanics. All mechanics instantly kill you whereas previously you could get damage downs (technically they still do if you're a tank or have giga shield) which was punishment enough when the DPS checks were tuned properly. This makes things frustrating to prog.

Compare Shadowkeeper (sorry not sorry) who had a mix of instant kill/body check mechanics/damage downs to Pandaemonium which is almost exclusively instakills. Nothing in Pandaemonium is harder to understand or execute. I would even say Shadowkeeper was much harder mechanically. But Pandaemonium is harder to prog/clear because it's so punishing.

I personally feel like raid tiers are becoming harder and harder to clear, and yet more of them are boring as sin (hello P6/7/9) because they've stripped out DPS skills and removed avenues for skill expression (raise god/making up for damage downs on other DPS/sacrifice plays).

[drtasteyummy]

I don't know in what World you live in that all the mechanics instant kill you, P9 has tons of damage down, P10 has quite some and so does P11, heck even P12 has more than enough damage downs plus this tier was way easier than last tier. The only bad thing to say about this is that P9 and P10 play pretty slow.