this raid tier is the worst yet

[grinkdaboy]

whoever thought savage needs constant body checks needs to be put in a straightjacket and locked away for a very long time

people say this makes the raids more """difficult""", and i will concede that it does make them far more artificially difficult. artificial difficulty isn't fun, because you're only as good as your weakest link and you can play your best but one person's mistake punishes everybody with a wipe

[Kaliesto]

Been saying that forever

I feel at this point only Ultimates should have that kind of punishment because Ultimate Raids literally pushes the limit on everything.

If the Savage Raids were not as cruel there would probably be more Ultimate PFs open.

Trying to get 8 people to be pitch perfect is like herding cats.

[Reimmi]

Tbh if they're gonna keep adding the body checks whats the point of red mage's damage handicap?
Their resses are pretty pointless when anytime people can die there's a bodycheck anyway to make sure you have no time to recover lol

[Knot_D]

I say Abyssos is the perfect spot for me (since I can cleared it ), good thing I didn't touch this tier because the glams are sucks

Too much body checks is not good with how PF's quality is lol...

[Kaliesto]

I say Abyssos is the perfect spot for me (since I can cleared it ), good thing I didn't touch this tier because the glams are sucks

Too much body checks is not good with how PF's quality is lol...

Off topic, but what is the story of that image in your sig? Been wondering for awhile lol.

[Knot_D]

Off topic, but what is the story of that image in your sig? Been wondering for awhile lol.

It's from this thread

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...mportant-to-me

and the cafe guy decided to mock OP so there's this image born

[Oizen]

Endwalker has kinda be hyper-obsessed with these sort of perfect or wipe mechanics as a whole really.
You could even apply this complaint to Ex6, Criterion Savage, and even fucking Eureka Orthos.

It does get pretty monotonous because the fight is either frustrating or easy because you memorized it. I don't know if this game can fix that problem.

[kidknee]

I agree, fight is extremely black and white in terms of difficulty. Either you know it and it's easy or its very hard.
It's very difficult to make medium level difficulty especially midcore content.
If fights are designed a little easier than veteren players will be bored coz similiar mechanics were found in o11s or tea or Eden. So they have to come up with new types of mechanics and if not innovative enuf they have to create body checks (8 players alive).
Savage is evolving to the point where many are getting discouraged from it. Ff14 doesn't do a good job to teach newer players how to savage.
Compared to wow, they have 4 levels of difficulty per raid tier. Raid finder/normal/heroic and mythic.
Since you gradually work your way up the muscle memory sets in and it's not too overwhelming for players.

[SilversLyu]

It's kind of ironic. Jobs are getting more streamlined and simple in a way, while they boost the difficulty of new content. Is this the intention actually?
Savage in EW feels like borderline ultimate at times, I am not gonna lie. I do enjoy the ramp in difficulty, but it is too punishing for the wrong reasons. 1 tiny mistake and your run is done for.

[AwesomeJr44]

Entries are in order within ranking tier. I haven't finished P12 but phase 1 seems like it'll be mid to high A tier so far.

S Tier
Pretty much nothing goes here. There is not a single fight where I can't think of a reason why it wouldn't be S tier.

A Tier
P10 - Very fun for tanks other than Harrowing Hell which was annoying on min ilv and with SCH/AST as the healers. This fight could have been in S tier if Harrowing was balanced better for comps without WHM/SGE. Yes it is possible with SCH/AST. It is also very very annoying with SCH/AST. This one might only be above P4 P1 due to recency bias but we'll see.

P4 P1 - Pinax is probably one of if not my favorite mechanics this expansion. Role call is also very good. This could have been S if the boss wasn't so annoying to position, especially during/after Pinax. The server tick would literally be the only factor in deciding how far he moved from the middle before casting Pinax.

P2 - Another very fun fight for tanks. The arena actually gets utilized very well in this one.

P5 - A pretty good fight all around, the various Ruby Glow mechanics were fun to figure out day 1.

B Tier
P4 P2 - The tethers are fun but this phase isn't as good as the first.

P9 - The mage phase is the best one, but the monk phase is good too. The behemoth phase was a little boring and LC2 is kinda lackluster. If the second half of the fight was as fun as the first, it'd be better than P5.

P8 P1 - Very fun all around but the possibility of Centaur/Dog being picked first 50% of the pulls sucked. This was before buffs got a range increase so it would screw up buff timings if Centaur/Dog was first and it felt awkward. If Snake 1 was first 100% of the time, this would be an A tier fight.

P8 P2 - HC is fun and interesting. The rest of the fight is not.

P6 - A little lackluster but alright. This could honestly be C tier if I wanted to go remake the picture.

P3 - This is only not in C tier because I had GOATed PFs when progging this one so it was actually pretty fun to prog. Orange on orange is annoying and spreads suck.

C Tier (Looking back, I'd swap P1 and P11 and maybe put P6 in between tbh)
P1 - A very good intro for someone getting into savage. However, if you are not a beginner, this fight is very boring. It's not annoying, just meh.

P11 - Fun, but also boring. The mechanics are sorta enjoyable but the entire fight just rehashes the same 3 mechanics in different ways. At least it's not as boring as P7.

D Tier
P7 - lol lmao xdd

imo obviously (cause I gotta say it )