Really? They put Shadowkeeper on the Mog Station?

[Stormpeaks]

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Don't you have a real argument?

Do you ?

"oh my god the poor small indie company they need to make mog shop purchases because they have developers for their game" no shit like every other game ? what a discovery that games have developers, you are a genius arent you ?

Unlike the noisy and complaining minority of the FFXIV gaming community, Yoshi-P and his dev team are doing a pretty good job. When I see how many crappy MMOs come out with more promises than achievements. It's easy to cry foul over cosmetics.

And then you write this, and you talk to me about arguments ? lmao, right back at you buddy

[ForteNightshade]

Aww the poor small indie company

They aren't entirely wrong though. As Daeriion summarized here, micro transactions make a sizable portion of the actual profits for a lot of games nowadays. Without them, our base sub fees would be significantly higher. We know this because other companies, Capcom specifically, have openly stated they believe the base price of games should be closer to $200. Outrageous, yeah? Well, prices haven't really caught up with inflation at all because of micro transactions—and to a lesser extent, DLC. The reality is the handful of whales and your occasional indulger make it so none of us have to pay a higher subscription. The trade off being some things will be locked behind a paywall.

It sucks but that's just the nature of the gaming industry and how expensive games have become to develop. Personally, I'll grudgingly accept micro transactions even if they are getting a little... excessive lately over increased fees because I can opt out of the former.

[Voltyblast]

Well, listen, they always need money. AAA games cost a huge amount of money and an army of devs, and other trades. (People grossly underestimate the cost of a video game these days, which runs into the hundreds of millions of dollars.) To avoid selling the game at an indecent price, they make up for it with Mogstation.

The whole point of a subscription base game is that you pay to get the content inside said game, with the money required to upkeep the servers.
Paying for a subscription would inquire that we have something in return, stuff like content, in game rewards, etc. That's how it has always been - with a cash shop being something of an extra.
The keyword here is extra, as in "stuff alongside the stuff you already can get in the game".

If the subscription isn't enough for running this game, maybe they should stop wasting money on pointless updates and focus on what matters.
Are you telling me the multi trillionaire company, famous for games such as Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy, can't support its servers without a simple sub? I ask because there are other games, that have fewer players than this game mind you, which have online servers and are perfectly fine with a cash shop AND without a sub too. But apparently an octillion company can't just run via subs and requires a cash shop.

Say what you will about it, but WoW's cash shop has a lot of actual extra stuff that doesn't matter as you can get the best mounts and transmogs in the game by simply running old content - 2 seated dragon? 2 seated bike? Hivemind? All inside the game for you to get. Heck if WoW ever did what FFXIV does there would be a riot up theirs.

FFXIV is lucky to have such hardcore defenders, to the point of actively defending microtransactions and extra features like extra retainer behind paywalls.

Because I'm fairly sure if any other game did the same, it wouldn't be so lucky.

[psychoEclipse]

Well, listen, they always need money. AAA games cost a huge amount of money and an army of devs, and other trades. (People grossly underestimate the cost of a video game these days, which runs into the hundreds of millions of dollars.) To avoid selling the game at an indecent price, they make up for it with Mogstation.

Personally, if it's nice, I'll take it,mounts and attires (I must have 15 attires). I realized I was a whale without realizing it, but as long as I have 2500 days of subscription and it's my main game where I always come back to it, I'm fine with it.

That said, all this is optional and cosmetic, so it's up to you to buy or not. Nobody's forcing you to buy. It's not like all those gatcha that urge you to pay by pressing on your frustration.

When you consider the profits made by Gatcha Made in China (and its recently released game) and the money it brings in, I find this model relatively healthy. It's more or less a way of supporting your streamer on Twitch.

People with too much money have already pounced on day one, just to show that they can afford it without a second thought.

I admit it lacks imagination to release any boss or mobs, but whatever...


This time, I'll pass.
Put some nice Asian clothes back on, I'll take it day one, if it's well done without clipping bugs (e.g. the princess attire...)


Unlike the noisy and complaining minority of the FFXIV gaming community, Yoshi-P and his dev team are doing a pretty good job. When I see how many crappy MMOs come out with more promises than achievements. It's easy to cry foul over cosmetics.

In the end, you agree, you pay.
You don't, you don't. And it won't involve you in the problem any more than that. Except maybe when you run into the show-off who's going to afk mount/glowing stuff, but that's a worry between you and your ego.

I think that many forgets how in-game shops are kinda a "donation" method towards the company, but yeah...keeping a game in good status is pricey and requires hard work.

[AnnRam]

Small indie company.

Please look forward.

[Oizen]

this image will never not be relevant to these forums

[Darkpaw]

This is kinda funny to read. Sure maybe it shouldn’t be on mogstation, but it is and it won’t change. Nor will they stop selling mounts there.

But here’s the thing. Say this thread is successful, they remove this mount from mogstation and put in in the game only.. or the next mount gets solely put into the game.

If it’s a savage mount there’ll be 20 threads whining about that.

If it’s a blu raid mount there’s another 20 threads.

If it’s a multimillion mgp mount, at least 10 threads.

PvP locking away a cool mount? 30+ threads about how pvp is trash and they shouldn’t lock cool rewards behind “mid content”

If it’s an Ultimate mount 50+ threads complaining about it, and some of you that are here will be in every one of those threads.

Yall just like to throw a fit. Doesnt matter where it “should be” the company put it where they want it and they’ll make money, whether it’s right or not doesnt matter because even if they changed it you all would throw a fit about something else.

Not defending them sure it’s a business practice that feels pretty crappy.. and in some ways is, but it’s a business practice used the world over in every industry imaginable.

But if they try to cater to all yall and your needs, this game would die in a week and the company days after.

[OM3GA-Z3RO]

When they made Cruise Chaser a store mount I immediately thought that this will continue.

Hearing that Shadowkeeper is the new store mount, I scoffed.

[Themarvin]

It is not relevant and it is as little relevant as putting a Axloth mount as the final reward for the final tier of savage for EW.

If want it, just get it, if want the savage one, just get it... if am determined you can get ANYTHING in FFXIV, with of course some limitations such as previous tiers of rewards, that will not be listed again.

[DevonEllwood]

I don't understand why people thought it would be for blue mage. People found out about the mount through sites like Garlondtools and there was nothing for blue mage listed. No spells, no achievements, nothing. So why would the mount be there and not the achievement it would be associated with? The blue mage update comes out later.

People thought it would be simply because of the raid boss for the next set of blue mage fights? What does a morbol have to do with Alexander or coils of Bahamut? I really feel everyone who believed that the mount was for blue mage were setting themselves up for disappointment.

Also that thing has the dumbest flight animation