Really? They put Shadowkeeper on the Mog Station?

[IkaraGreydancer]

I'll be honest I never actually even knew there was such a huge difference between FF14 and WoW.

Of course ESO's cash shop could probably compete with FF14's but it shouldn't be a race to the bottom in the first place.

To say something sober for once here, it's actually astounding how Atelier and that other Roe can defend this for so long. It seriously takes some extreme cognitive dissonance to defend SE on every single little thing when the facts are this stark.

All I've witnessed in the last few pages is two people who, when proven wrong, dig their heels in and come up with nonsencial arguments. It reminds me of myself when I was 8, arguing with my dad about stuff, and when my dad told me I'm wrong, instead of accepting it I just clinged to the most incredulous lines of argument. Seriously stupid shit like "maybe he actually likes being hit".

I don't know what to say, but this is really the reason I show absolutely zero respect towards these people.

Why do you think I occasionally talk normally to people here and then just go back to insults and attacks after a week or so? Because despite Volty's lucid and calm explanations, despite his concessions (even when they were right in the first place), despite his unassailable facts, the white knights don't budge a single inch. Whenever you try communicating with white knights seriously, whenever you try engaging with them on good faith, you'll just witness the most pathetic defenses of the game. If Square Enix physically hit someone today, the white knights will defend it by saying "maybe he likes getting hit" like an 8-year-old child. You can write an insightful critique and they'll just respond with "I like that" or "I see no issue".

There are saints who can persist in explaining things to 8-year-old children but I'm not one of them. These white knights either do not have the mental capacity or the desire to ever engage with you in good faith in the first place. These last few pages have proven as much.





I have absolutely zero qualms in making you white knights outraged. You do this to reasonable people. I saw through it a long time ago so I never bothered to be reasonable to you.

Big difference between being reasonable and throwing insults. You can choose to not be reasonable yet avoid insults. You just use this as a reason to justify being an ass to others when all it amounts to is a difference of opinion.
Yall can't handle that. The word hater is rarely seen around here yet bootlicker, whiteknight etc. Is often used/seen. Interesting if were to believe theres that many "white knights" around here as many of you claim. It's very clear regardless of reason that one side of this fence is very intolerable of the other. Even holding a neutral stance such as (don't like it don't buy it), is not good enough for you guys. Everyone must feel the same as you or were gonna get insulted. You talk about being childish yet isn't hurling insults for a difference of opinion just that? Childish? Are we not adults here that understand people are different, ideas are different, experiences are different?

If folks have such an issue with the shop I encourage you guys to leave others to their own devices n band together. Let SE know yall have an issue with how this is being done. Spread the word of what you're doing as far as you can and try to push back. If it doesn't work then you have your answer and it's time to move on, simple. End of the day you don't get to decide what someone does with their hard earned money and unless they're destroying their own lives or someone elses I can't call said person dumb for spending it how they want.

[ZephyrMenodora]

LOL. ESO's cash shop IS the bottom. RNG Loot Boxes, items they bundle for $80 that you can only get by buying a bundle of loot boxes....$100+ USD player houses. Tons of FOMO and things that don't return for YEARS.

Not a fan of $40 mounts here but ESO is a whole other level of bad.

[Boblawblah]

I may be a bit of a hypocrite since I did buy stuff from the mog station, yet I still dont really like how that shop is getting more and more stuff.
In the past the cash shop was only meant for old event items (instead of just giving them for free with the new events like they did sometimes at the beginning...) and yet here we are, with more and more exclusive, expensive stuff.

The veteran reward system ended and yet instead of letting us exchange mounts of existing bosses with the new systems (the certificates) we barely get anything there while the cash shops gets a lot of updates.

Maybe a bit more balance would be nice. Add different colored versions of the same mount to the different systems. Or give us the chance to earn it ingame but it would be a big grind while you can also buy it online if you dont want to grind for it.

Its sad that we now live in a world where the Diablo IV ingame shop is considered as okay because it could be worse (for a games that costs 70€+). How far will this go until its even too much for most of us? It all started small and even in the past people where like "dont be negative, its only old stuff" and now we get ingame bosses in there...

I'm the same. I've bought a mount, one part of an outfit and a couple of the old Christmas outfits, but I'll always argue for less importance on out of game purchases like the cash shop and retainers. Hypocritical of me? For sure, but humans are rarely completely consistent.

[Iscah]

The wow Shop has currently:[list of stuff]

The ffxiv shop has:[list of stuff]

Honest question – how do those numbers compare to each game's amount of in-game gear, regardless of your personal opinion of its quality? Does WoW have proportionately less items to match proportionately less cash shop? Or is the shop perhaps making more money from selling tokens so less inclined to put work into making things to sell?

I haven't played WoW and do not have an opinion on it.

In this case, please tell me which ingame item and mount have the same quality as to those in the shop

Glamour-wise the majority of items that I use regularly are from the game, not from Mog Station.

[Shinkuno]

Honest question – how do those numbers compare to each game's amount of in-game gear, regardless of your personal opinion of its quality? Does WoW have proportionately less items to match proportionately less cash shop? Or is the shop perhaps making more money from selling tokens so less inclined to put work into making things to sell?

I haven't played WoW and do not have an opinion on it.




Glamour-wise the majority of items that I use regularly are from the game, not from Mog Station.

WoW has more mounts, pets and gear pieces ingame than FF14 easily. Like WoW has around 900 mounts or something right now. And while there are alot of recolours, its not like FF14 doesnt have its fair share of them.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Honest question – how do those numbers compare to each game's amount of in-game gear, regardless of your personal opinion of its quality? Does WoW have proportionately less items to match proportionately less cash shop? Or is the shop perhaps making more money from selling tokens so less inclined to put work into making things to sell?

I haven't played WoW and do not have an opinion on it.

lol dont look it up you will cry lol

[LughC]

If you'll buy it they'll list it. Ask anyone who works in costumer service your complaints mean nothing so long as they get paid.

[kaynide]

But still, am I missing something here or are we really saying that ffxiv cash shop is actually better? Because I don't think I've seen a f2p shop loaded with this much stuff.

GW2 has butttttloads of stuff in their real-money shop. Like, the vast majority of their minions and skins come from there. (Assuming if you meant “f2p” as in no subscription)

If you are talking purely f2p, Genshin has a whoooole nutty level of ridiculous in its gacha system. Or Fortnite if we are going outside of rpgs.

[LotteYanson]

I bought it, its ugly.
dont realy care.
will buy the next one as well.

[Alexandre_Noireau]

In-Lore, In-Game mounts should ALWAYS be ingame obtainable.
Cash shop mounts can be recolours or cross-franchise mounts.

This is the root of the problem with Sleipnir, Cruise Chaser and now the Shadowkeeper.


But also, there is an ethical issue: microtransactions are always bad, moraly and ethically bad. That bad gets normalized doesn't make it right. Being well adjusted to a sick society is indeed, bad.
So is timegated content (PvP mounts/achievements/collectables, seasonal event titles, achivements, the firmament, one-time cross events).

The reasoning and behavior of microntransactions defenders are no diferent from drug addicts

Those things are actually predatory on neurodivergent people, there is no reasonable or ethical excuse to defend a cash shop, much less in a subscription based access game.