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    Player NekoMataMata's Avatar
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    Duty Support for MSQ Trials when..?

    I can already feel some random person deciding to drop a post along the lines of "no, you're trying to turn this game into a single player game" so I'd like to remind you that almost every MSQ dungeon in the game has duty support despite the fact that dungeons of all content don't necessarily need it, at least in comparison to trials.

    Trial roulette is not nearly as rewarding as Leveling or even Level X0 roulette. Trials require double the amount of people and the reward for rerunning trials without roulette is non-existent, while in comparison you have people rerunning all sorts of MSQ dungeons for different reasons.

    Give me a reason as to why trials shouldn't have been prioritized for receiving duty support over dungeons.
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    I, for one, can't give you a reason - I feel the Duty Support system is a good idea.

    I mean - hate to say it - but are those who bemoan SE "trying to turn this game into a single player game" the same people who also criticise poor performance from other players in group content?

    Some seem to want their cake and to eat it too, frankly.
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    Last edited by Carin-Eri; 06-12-2023 at 10:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carin-Eri View Post
    I, for one, can't give you a reason - I feel the Duty Support system is a good idea.

    I mean - hate to say it - but are those who bemoan SE "trying to turn this game into a single player game" the same people who also criticise poor performance from other players in group content?

    Some seem to want their cake and to eat it too, frankly.
    The best case scenario for the game is to let people who refuse to improve at the game (or people with disabilities), do the entire story solo, rather than dumb down the game for everyone
    So i think duty support for all MSQ content is a good idea.
    I'd even go so far as to say let the NPCS res the player so they literally can't lose
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    Hopefully in the future this will be added, I like running through the MSQ with Alt's.
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    I'm assuming they wanted to get the dungeons finished first, as they are the easiest to create.

    There is a trial one can run with Duty Support at this point. It is called The Mothercrystal.

    So, the technology exists, they've tested it out in a major MSQ story point in Endwalker, and I expect SE to start converting 8-person MSQ trials at some point starting in the next expansion.

    Duty support for the 4-person ARR MSQ trials are already in-game.
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    I can guarantee you SE can't code for their lives proper AI to handle Nabriales. And so DS means they'll gut it into braindead content. No thanks.

    Also ty for making it even easier to level bots to endgame
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    Last edited by GaiusDrakon; 06-12-2023 at 08:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GaiusDrakon View Post
    I can guarantee you SE can't code for their lives proper AI to handle Nabriales. And so DS means they'll gut it into braindead content. No thanks.

    Also ty for making it even easier to level bots to endgame
    I doubt endgame bot farms care either way. The bots probably go through the trials with other bots already or have a higher leveled bot do the trial for them unsync'd.

    It's a shame that you'd use that as an excuse in order to hinder real players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NekoMataMata View Post
    I doubt endgame bot farms care either way. The bots probably go through the trials with other bots already or have a higher leveled bot do the trial for them unsync'd.

    It's a shame that you'd use that as an excuse in order to hinder real players.
    real players xD
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    Quote Originally Posted by NekoMataMata View Post
    especially end game trials are ridiculously long.
    I don't know but have you tried doing dps?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mosha View Post
    I don't know but have you tried doing dps?
    You would think that by reading the full sentence they were referring to the time taken to queue in, not the time taken to kill once in the instance...
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