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    TabrisOmbrelame's Avatar
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    Guardian abuse in Frontline/CC

    Everyone remember the abuse in Onsal Hakair allowing you to tag point with no problem ?

    It has been resolved long ago already, yeah I know. But I've seen another major problem that is also quite game breaking and completely overpowered.

    "Standard-issue Elixir" while being guarded by a Paladin. This allow, for exemple, a DRK to recover at 100% right in the middle of the entire enemy raid.

    I can see people already coming and saying "SKILL ISSUE" or "Then focus PLD first", but before you say that, try to battle a mixed team of Paladin/Dark Knight with 100% perfect team play. That is basically unstoppable and nobody can do anything about this. This shouldn't be allowed, and just like how you get interrupted for taking a point in Onsal, you should be interrupted if any attacks touches you even if it does 0 damage.

    I'm okay with the Guardian spell itself that allows you to protect a teammate, but not if it gives an unfair advantage.

    In frontline, the impact itself doesn't go exactly far and you can still manage to win against such people if their team is just braindead. But imagine that inside CC ? That would completely wreck any game. People will just stand inside the cristal, using Elixir under Guardian and poof 100% HP/MP back into the game, and nothing can be done.
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    Towa Musa
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    Quote Originally Posted by TabrisOmbrelame View Post
    Everyone remember the abuse in Onsal Hakair allowing you to tag point with no problem ?

    It has been resolved long ago already, yeah I know. But I've seen another major problem that is also quite game breaking and completely overpowered.

    "Standard-issue Elixir" while being guarded by a Paladin. This allow, for exemple, a DRK to recover at 100% right in the middle of the entire enemy raid.

    I can see people already coming and saying "SKILL ISSUE" or "Then focus PLD first", but before you say that, try to battle a mixed team of Paladin/Dark Knight with 100% perfect team play. That is basically unstoppable and nobody can do anything about this. This shouldn't be allowed, and just like how you get interrupted for taking a point in Onsal, you should be interrupted if any attacks touches you even if it does 0 damage.

    I'm okay with the Guardian spell itself that allows you to protect a teammate, but not if it gives an unfair advantage.

    In frontline, the impact itself doesn't go exactly far and you can still manage to win against such people if their team is just braindead. But imagine that inside CC ? That would completely wreck any game. People will just stand inside the cristal, using Elixir under Guardian and poof 100% HP/MP back into the game, and nothing can be done.
    cant you interrupt that with a warrior biota or dark knight draw in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Towa-Musa View Post
    cant you interrupt that with a warrior biota or dark knight draw in?
    That's actually a good question. I don't know if you can grab him either since things tend to target the PLD anyway, but if i'm not mistaken, only the PLD next to the covered was pulled everytime.
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    Stop you whining and blame your tirigger shoot WHM that spam Miracle of Nature on CD instead of using at critical moment. That action can’t be purify for a reason
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    Reinhardt Azureheim
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    Alpha
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    So you just discovered Cover-Elixir, congrats. This one unlike the Onsal Hakair cap is intentional game design.

    I hate it as much as you do but this is what PLD actually excels in. If you want this to be gone literally ask them to replace it with Intervention at this point.
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    Player RyanCousland's Avatar
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    Rion Cousland
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    Rogue Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by TabrisOmbrelame View Post
    Everyone remember the abuse in Onsal Hakair allowing you to tag point with no problem ?

    It has been resolved long ago already, yeah I know. But I've seen another major problem that is also quite game breaking and completely overpowered.

    "Standard-issue Elixir" while being guarded by a Paladin. This allow, for exemple, a DRK to recover at 100% right in the middle of the entire enemy raid.

    I can see people already coming and saying "SKILL ISSUE" or "Then focus PLD first", but before you say that, try to battle a mixed team of Paladin/Dark Knight with 100% perfect team play. That is basically unstoppable and nobody can do anything about this. This shouldn't be allowed, and just like how you get interrupted for taking a point in Onsal, you should be interrupted if any attacks touches you even if it does 0 damage.

    I'm okay with the Guardian spell itself that allows you to protect a teammate, but not if it gives an unfair advantage.

    In frontline, the impact itself doesn't go exactly far and you can still manage to win against such people if their team is just braindead. But imagine that inside CC ? That would completely wreck any game. People will just stand inside the cristal, using Elixir under Guardian and poof 100% HP/MP back into the game, and nothing can be done.
    Serjo there will always be a premade combo in FL someone will find unfair, as for your comment regarding CC no not really i can go into detail if you want but id just be saying the same thing ive said in other posts
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    Elfidan Gadfor
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    This is easily managed. Hold damage then dump it on the PLD since they won't have guard after.
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